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zeus 171 #1 Posted 13 September 2019 - 09:46 PM

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Aside from the STB-1, I can’t think of another tank that fires so many phantom shells.

 

There is no way the gun stats are what they say, they can’t be. 

 

Fully zoomed in, perfectly lined up shots, give the gun an extra sec....huh, where did the shot go??

 

 

 



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The British L7 gun, one of the best guns of the Cold War, shoots in this game like a smoothbore musket. Meanwhile Soviet tanks which could not hit targets when on the move are equipped with snapshotting laser guns. Seems legit! :great:

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View PostPit Friend, on 13 September 2019 - 05:52 PM, said:

The British L7 gun, one of the best guns of the Cold War, shoots in this game like a smoothbore musket. Meanwhile Soviet tanks which could not hit targets when on the move are equipped with snapshotting laser guns. Seems legit! :great:

 

Wait, I shouldn’t be hitting those 500 meter snaps for 600 plus damage across the map in the 705a lol

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View Postzeus 171, on 13 September 2019 - 03:46 PM, said:

Aside from the STB-1, I can’t think of another tank that fires so many phantom shells.

 

There is no way the gun stats are what they say, they can’t be. 

 

Fully zoomed in, perfectly lined up shots, give the gun an extra sec....huh, where did the shot go??

 

 

 

thats largely why i hate the cax is the abysmal gun handling


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Have you tried yelling RUSSIA before firing? Works for me.

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View Postzeus 171, on 13 September 2019 - 10:46 PM, said:

Aside from the STB-1, I can’t think of another tank that fires so many phantom shells.

 

There is no way the gun stats are what they say, they can’t be. 

 

Fully zoomed in, perfectly lined up shots, give the gun an extra sec....huh, where did the shot go??

 

 

 

 

Can't agree more... Tried to 3 Mark it but without HEAT spam and good team support you are left in an OK chassie + OK turret with a 105mm gun which RIVALS the STB1 as the WORST TierX medium gun in the game despite what the raw stats tell you.

 

 

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The 4202 are showing signs of the same issue, noticed it when I was finishing the Machine op. 

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hey, i was playing my sharpshooter and encountered an ru251 rolling full speed from ~ 250 meters away ... he snapshotted me on the move and penned and set me on fire. 

 

yep. lovely.

 

I literally yelled out "for mother russia!" ...



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It's not as bad as the stb. It is however British, meaning just like every nation that's not Russia you can expect to miss fully aimed shots regularly. 

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It’s the main reason why I prefer the M48 over the CAX. The CAX has strong points, but it’s gun going into random derp mode often lets it down

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As you pull the trigger you gotta yell RUSSIA!  Or some pro Russia saying. I play the cax a lot and the gun is brutally inaccurate. I’m guessing their are some soft stats that have a big influence.

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Here's a chart for comparison.  A-X is smack dab in the middle of the pack.

Vehicle Gun Aim Acc Move Turret QDR
M60
105 1.6 0.33 0.10 0.08
15.78
AMX 30 B 105 2 0.32 0.12 0.06 13.02
T-62A 100 2 0.34 0.10 0.08 12.25
M48A5 Patton 105 1.9 0.36 0.10 0.08 12.18
Leopard 1
105 1.9 0.30 0.14 0.08 11.96
Object 140 100 2.1 0.35 0.08 0.10 11.34
E 50 Ausf. M 105 2.1 0.30 0.14 0.08 10.82
K-91 100 1.9 0.33 0.14 0.10 9.97
Centurion Action X
105 2.1 0.32 0.14 0.12
8.59
Progetto M40 mod. 65 105 2.1 0.33 0.14 0.12 8.33
Chisel 120 2.3 0.32 0.14 0.12 7.84
FV4202
105 2.1 0.32 0.18 0.12 7.44
TVP T 50/51 100A 2.1 0.35 0.18 0.10 7.29
Object 430 100 2.3 0.38 0.14 0.12 6.60
Object 430U 122 2.3 0.40 0.16 0.10 6.27
STB-1 105 2.3 0.36 0.16 0.14 6.04
121 122 2.7 0.35 0.14 0.14 5.67
Bat.-Châtillon 25 t 105A 2.7 0.38 0.17 0.16 4.43

 

I get why the auto-loaders and the progetto are in the bottom of the list.  I also get why the 430's get put down there to make up for their armor.  What I don't get is why the STB and 121 are soooo bad.  IMO, the 121 should get 2.4 aim time and the STB should get .12 moving dispersion and .10 turret dispersion to make them more competitive.


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View PostPontiac Pat, on 14 September 2019 - 05:57 AM, said:

Here's a chart for comparison.  A-X is smack dab in the middle of the pack.

Vehicle Gun Aim Acc Move Turret QDR
M60
105 1.6 0.33 0.10 0.08
15.78
AMX 30 B 105 2 0.32 0.12 0.06 13.02
T-62A 100 2 0.34 0.10 0.08 12.25
M48A5 Patton 105 1.9 0.36 0.10 0.08 12.18
Leopard 1
105 1.9 0.30 0.14 0.08 11.96
Object 140 100 2.1 0.35 0.08 0.10 11.34
E 50 Ausf. M 105 2.1 0.30 0.14 0.08 10.82
K-91 100 1.9 0.33 0.14 0.10 9.97
Centurion Action X
105 2.1 0.32 0.14 0.12
8.59
Progetto M40 mod. 65 105 2.1 0.33 0.14 0.12 8.33
Chisel 120 2.3 0.32 0.14 0.12 7.84
FV4202
105 2.1 0.32 0.18 0.12 7.44
TVP T 50/51 100A 2.1 0.35 0.18 0.10 7.29
Object 430 100 2.3 0.38 0.14 0.12 6.60
Object 430U 122 2.3 0.40 0.16 0.10 6.27
STB-1 105 2.3 0.36 0.16 0.14 6.04
121 122 2.7 0.35 0.14 0.14 5.67
Bat.-Châtillon 25 t 105A 2.7 0.38 0.17 0.16 4.43

 

The Leopard 1s gun handling still makes me sad. That tank should pretty much be the king of snap shots up the top with the M60 but it's not even close. 


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View PostHollowPoint_808, on 13 September 2019 - 11:50 PM, said:

The 4202 are showing signs of the same issue, noticed it when I was finishing the Machine op. 

They are only slightly different, but the 4202 gun seems more potato to me. 



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4202 has much worse moving dispersion than the A-X. (.18 vs .14)

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animatethant #16 Posted 16 September 2019 - 05:12 AM

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yeesh, thanks for the graphics ... because I was not aware how good the m60 stats are. 

 

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View Postzeus 171, on 13 September 2019 - 09:46 PM, said:

Aside from the STB-1, I can’t think of another tank that fires so many phantom shells.

 

There is no way the gun stats are what they say, they can’t be. 

 

Fully zoomed in, perfectly lined up shots, give the gun an extra sec....huh, where did the shot go??

 

 

 

 

don't forget that when you do actually hit something you normally only damage a module. 

I had a match the other day in my AX where literally every shot I fired just did critical damage and actually didn't get much real damage. Even shots fully aimed into the side of a stationary target, boom, oh look, track damage....

it was infuriating.


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