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SirDerp-a-lot #1 Posted 12 October 2019 - 10:46 PM

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Wargaming, when do you plan to nerf the Machine?

De4thSt4lker206 #2 Posted 12 October 2019 - 10:58 PM

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honestly, the tank looks pretty mediocre to me.  It is just another medium tank with an autoloader that has sub 1400 clip damage, and HESH shells eat it for breakfast. of course WG listed it as a heavy... :facepalm:

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i ripped 1 apart in the 7/1 shooting nothing but HESH

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oh another" i got outplayed by a machine so it must be OP" thread


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Unfortunately, It looks to be balanced on their Master Overlord Spreadsheet due to the clowns who bought it or failed their way to it. 

 

Last night, I saw one on my team fire 8 rounds, hit zero, do no damage and finish last. Very next game, another fires 12 times, hits 3, does one pen for 63 damage. Yep. HE. 



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If they won’t nerf The Machine “because people worked for it” they need to un-nerf the Stubbs. 

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View PostPit Friend, on 13 October 2019 - 08:16 AM, said:

If they won’t nerf The Machine “because people worked for it” they need to un-nerf the Stubbs. 

 

i loved the stubbs before they nerfed it, now it feels like a useless tank unless i get lucky with mm.

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View PostPit Friend, on 13 October 2019 - 12:16 AM, said:

If they won’t nerf The Machine “because people worked for it” they need to un-nerf the Stubbs. 

 

And the Spyglass, and the Roundabout, and the Slapjack... and practically anything non-Patton nerfed during the last year.

Seriously these buffs-nerfs have to stop, dammit. Unfortunately the damage is more than done.

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View PostPit Friend, on 13 October 2019 - 11:16 AM, said:

If they won’t nerf The Machine “because people worked for it” they need to un-nerf the Stubbs. 

I worked to get my TVP and it still got nerfed lol, seriously though it could do with some love 


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View PostDe4thSt4lker206, on 12 October 2019 - 10:58 PM, said:

honestly, the tank looks pretty mediocre to me.  It is just another medium tank with an autoloader that has sub 1400 clip damage, and HESH shells eat it for breakfast. of course WG listed it as a heavy... :facepalm:

 

Just because something is listed as a heavy doesn't mean It has to play as a heavy. It's quick, got a great gun with burst damage and good gun handling but doesn't take forever to reload. The tank is a capable ridge fighter and can reposition quickly.

 

It has a lot of qualities that allow it to perform really well in a decent players hands. But those same qualities make it a death trap for lesser players. 


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View PostTempest fox3, on 12 October 2019 - 07:52 PM, said:

 

Just because something is listed as a heavy doesn't mean It has to play as a heavy. It's quick, got a great gun with burst damage and good gun handling but doesn't take forever to reload. The tank is a capable ridge fighter and can reposition quickly.

 

It has a lot of qualities that allow it to perform really well in a decent players hands. But those same qualities make it a death trap for lesser players. 

 

i never said it did. it is a medium tank, WG just listed it as a heavy, because they do stupid crap like that.

 

nothing about the tank stands out to me, the turret armor is mediocre, the Hull is a 50B so, aside from straight on, it is HE food, it has a mediocre burst, with low Alpha and Low DPM. 

 

'bout the only thing it has going for it is it is fast, has great GDP, and is an autoloader.

 

I think it actually looks like a balanced tank. A good player can do great with it, but a bad player will do poorly, it requires careful positioning, but is capable of positioning itself...


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View PostDe4thSt4lker206, on 12 October 2019 - 05:58 PM, said:

honestly, the tank looks pretty mediocre to me.  It is just another medium tank with an autoloader that has sub 1400 clip damage, and HESH shells eat it for breakfast. of course WG listed it as a heavy... :facepalm:

It’s anything but mediocre. The speed of a medium and the gun of the pre Nerf 50/51.  Its currently 2nd among tier X heavies in WR behind the Kranvagn 


   

 

                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                 

 


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View PostEl Materdor43, on 12 October 2019 - 09:44 PM, said:

It’s anything but mediocre. The speed of a medium and the gun of the pre Nerf 50/51.  Its currently 2nd among tier X heavies in WR behind the Kranvagn 

 

because its ownership is lopsided towards players have the time, skill and effort to put into getting it?

 

it is just another autlooading fast medium, but exclusively being played by the top 10%  hardly warranting of a nerf.


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View PostDe4thSt4lker206, on 12 October 2019 - 10:48 PM, said:

 

because its ownership is lopsided towards players have the time, skill and effort to put into getting it?

 

it is just another autlooading fast medium, but exclusively being played by the top 10%  hardly warranting of a nerf.

It’s currently 3rd in battles played amongst tier X heavies at 68K for the last 30 day period, per Worinfo. In tier X games, it’s not uncommon to see multiple per team. 


   

 

                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                 

 


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Also, The Machine sits at #4 on the leaderboard in damage among tier X heavies

   

 

                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                 

 


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How dare you El Materdor43, using stats to to show what a huge piece of junk it is!

I see them a lot in tier 10. Rarely do bad, sometimes they do but a lot of times they do pretty good.

Poor Stubbs has only been played once since it got balanced. Was so OP it wasn’t even funny before.

 

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View PostEl Materdor43, on 12 October 2019 - 10:01 PM, said:

It’s currently 3rd in battles played amongst tier X heavies at 68K for the last 30 day period, per Worinfo. In tier X games, it’s not uncommon to see multiple per team. 

 

people love playing their new toys, doesn't make it OP.

 

View PostEl Materdor43, on 12 October 2019 - 10:11 PM, said:

Also, The Machine sits at #4 on the leaderboard in damage among tier X heavies

 

compare it to mediums, it plays like one, so the stats would be better compared that way. Mediums frequently have the best guns and the mobility to effectively use them, whereas heavies generally have larger but lower DPM guns, better armor, and less mobility to leverage their guns into battle.

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it is top 5 against mediums for Damage and WR, but the Progetto 65 beats it in both... is that an OP tank?

 

spreadsheets are poor ways to balance.


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View PostDe4thSt4lker206, on 12 October 2019 - 11:27 PM, said:

 

people love playing their new toys, doesn't make it OP.

You made the statement that only the top players play that tank. My rebuttal was to show that many players play it. It, among its other tier X heavy brethren, are played a lot and still have decent WR’s. The number of games played compared to its WR says it better than average.  In fact, compared to all tier X tanks that have at least 50K games played in the last 30 days, it’s WR is almost 2% higher than the next closest tank. Many players earned that tank through the contract for it. It’s played by all skill levels. 

 

 

compare it to mediums, it plays like one, so the stats would be better compared that way. Mediums frequently have the best guns and the mobility to effectively use them, whereas heavies generally have larger but lower DPM guns, better armor, and less mobility to leverage their guns into battle.

It has a heavy tank turret. Not impenetrable but better than almost every other medium. It does have medium tank mobility but it’s on the 50B hull. Not the greatest but still better than most of the mediums. The reload on the gun is quick enough that you have a small window to get your damage in then you have to be in cover. 

Do a search of threads about the Machine. You will find that there are many on the subject and most of them deal with players asking for a Nerf. It’s better than you give it credit for and sure it can be killed, just like all the other tanks in game. What it can do until you get it off the board is the reason for the threads 


   

 

                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                 

 


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View PostEl Materdor43, on 12 October 2019 - 11:12 PM, said:

Do a search of threads about the Machine. You will find that there are many on the subject and most of them deal with players asking for a Nerf. It’s better than you give it credit for and sure it can be killed, just like all the other tanks in game. What it can do until you get it off the board is the reason for the threads 

 

it is no more dangerous than the T57, Batchat, or Kranvang. it is likely a bit better than the 50B I will concede.

 

it is a medium tank level turret, on medium/light tank hull, with medium like mobility. it is dangerous in the endgame, until then it is not even the most powerful autoloader at tier 10. 1280 clip damage and 2300 DPM, same clip reload as the T57, which has 400 Alpha damage?

 

if it had a truly dangerous autoloader sure, but it really doesn't by autoloader standards.  that, plus anybody can kill it, it really is not OP. on the edge of brokenness, like most autoloaders, but not OP.

 

 

It compares favorably to the unjustly nerfed Checz autoloaders maybe...

 

 

 

the only real problem with it, is that it looks utterly ridiculous. 

 

 

 

I would also call forcing a restriction of 50K games played to be both arbitrary and absured, considering there are a grand total of 5 tier 10s that have that many games played.  I admit, i may have been wrong about how many people have it, OR maybe it is just being heavily played by a bunch of people who put a lot of effort into getting it recently.... take your pick.


Edited by De4thSt4lker206, 13 October 2019 - 05:35 AM.

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