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Roy Houston #41 Posted 23 October 2019 - 07:37 AM

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View PostWroclaw, on 22 October 2019 - 10:38 PM, said:

i just topped the table in a tier 10 game. i was one of the few tier 8's.

 

i ended up killing one of the tier 10 Lights. the entire match consisted of hiding, staying out of the fight, trying to get the occasional sneaky shot off when it was clear.

 

its a garbage, dull, boring way to play this game. it turns the game into work rather than fun. just get it over with WarGaming, switch WoT over to +1 already.

 

+2 sucks

 

+2 sucks 

 

+2 sucks

 

 

Thanks for saying it. The game does really suck a bag of doorbells in +2/-2

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+ 2 sucks ball bags so deep they come out it’s mouth part digested.

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View Postsupersaiyaman12, on 23 October 2019 - 07:22 AM, said:

 

Most players DON'T go for the [edited]war stories or other modes. They go to multiplayer. And they get tired of all the [edited]that comes with it, get the impression the game sucks and never play again. Again, World of Tanks Console is hemorrhaging players. We've lost over two thirds of our original playerbase. When we used to have a quarter million players....we're barely at 53,000. And you're saying the game doesn't need changes? You're saying that its perfect as is and to stop these 'experiments'? 

 

 

When did I say it was perfect?   

 

I'm pretty sure the mass of players who say it sucks would enjoy it more if they learnt other tactics apart from Yolo. 

 

As for the shrinking playerbase,   it's an old game and thats bound to happen.   Also a large % of players have rerolled to try and impress someone.


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View PostJohn Arrowsmith, on 23 October 2019 - 07:45 AM, said:

 

 

When did I say it was perfect?   

 

I'm pretty sure the mass of players who say it sucks would enjoy it more if they learnt other tactics apart from Yolo. 

 

As for the shrinking playerbase,   it's an old game and thats bound to happen.   Also a large % of players have rerolled to try and impress someone.

 

Are you an artillery player? I think Wargamings position on this issue may be skewed by player perception on these forums. I can name one artillery player in particular that seems to like to skew these posts with his 4k or whatever posts that WG reads always claiming that +1/-1  will be horrible for the game. I think people on these forums would be well advised to look up a player, examine the tanks they play before you give their judgement on these issues any credence. 



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View PostRoy Houston, on 23 October 2019 - 07:57 AM, said:

 

Are you an artillery player? I think Wargamings position on this issue may be skewed by player perception on these forums. I can name one artillery player in particular that seems to like to skew these posts with his 4k or whatever posts that WG reads always claiming that +1/-1  will be horrible for the game. I think people on these forums would be well advised to look up a player, examine the tanks they play before you give their judgement on these issues any credence. 

 

if you had used the advise you are trying  to give you would see that I play all classes.

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View PostJohn Arrowsmith, on 23 October 2019 - 08:03 AM, said:

 

if you had used the advise you are trying  to give you would see that I play all classes.

 

I wasn't talking about you at all. There is a prominent forumer that I was referring to though

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View PostRoy Houston, on 23 October 2019 - 08:07 AM, said:

 

I wasn't talking about you at all. There is a prominent forumer that I was referring to though

 

Oooooh! The plot thickens. :D

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View PostM4ntiX, on 23 October 2019 - 08:11 AM, said:

 

Oooooh! The plot thickens. :D

 

I think the player likely changed their name. Started with a B. Was pretty common on every thread until recently and now I can't find a single post. If you remember someone that posted on every thread, and their gt started with a b, it was likely them, but It does look like that person changed their gamertag

 


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View Postmilesizdead, on 23 October 2019 - 07:28 AM, said:

 

My experience on the game was acquired with +/-2. Sure it was challenging at times, but that's how you get better. 

 

There's a difference from 'challenging' to flat out unfair. Stock tanks should never fight +2 anyways given their guns aren't able to scratch the tanks 2 tiers above even WITH premium ammo and they don't have the upgrades to flank or take attacks. The fact of the matter is: new players don't bother anymore. They try the game out...and are instantly turned off by being put up against tanks they have no chance against or dicked on by arty.

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View PostM4ntiX, on 23 October 2019 - 01:07 AM, said:

 

Something tells me matchmaking isn't the problem here... We get it, the game is too hard for you. Perhaps it's time to move on?

 

Do not tell OP things he did not say. OP do not say it's too difficult to play at -2, he says it's not nice. It's completely different.

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View PostJohn Arrowsmith, on 23 October 2019 - 07:45 AM, said:

 

 

When did I say it was perfect?   

 

I'm pretty sure the mass of players who say it sucks would enjoy it more if they learnt other tactics apart from Yolo. 

 

As for the shrinking playerbase,   it's an old game and thats bound to happen.   Also a large % of players have rerolled to try and impress someone.

You say that, but World of Tanks PC's playerbase has not only be steady, but growing with their improvements and actually listening to concerns and trying to fix the problems. World of Tanks Mercenaries has been dying ever since the Mercenary tanks were added, new players won't have the patience to learn from the game but get better, they'll just move on. From 250,000 at most.....to barely 53,000. That is a sharp drop of players and its being lost every day. +1/-1, fixing RNG, and rolled dice would not only keep the players we already have, but draw in new ones and most importantly KEEP them. Since the game suddenly becomes a lot more fair and actually balanced.



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View Postsupersaiyaman12, on 23 October 2019 - 10:41 AM, said:

 

There's a difference from 'challenging' to flat out unfair. Stock tanks should never fight +2 anyways given their guns aren't able to scratch the tanks 2 tiers above even WITH premium ammo and they don't have the upgrades to flank or take attacks. The fact of the matter is: new players don't bother anymore. They try the game out...and are instantly turned off by being put up against tanks they have no chance against or dicked on by arty.

 

But that's alright though, isn't it? Not every game needs to please everyone. I don't want to play Fortnite, someone else doesn't want to play tanks. If a player doesn't bother learning the game I'm fine with him/her not playing the game.

At least on Xbox I see no problem with the player base as it is now, queue times are short and battles mostly 15v15.

 


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View PostSightlessRogue0, on 23 October 2019 - 08:43 AM, said:

 

Do not tell OP things he did not say. OP do not say it's too difficult to play at -2, he says it's not nice. It's completely different.

 

Players who go 'get good' love to ignore the actual problems the game has since they are either too invested with WOTM or they just love to pad out their stats by trolling at bottom tiers with overpowered premium tanks like Panzer V/IV, Absolution, etc.

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View Postmilesizdead, on 23 October 2019 - 08:48 AM, said:

 

But that's alright though, isn't it? Not every game needs to please everyone. I don't want to play Fortnite, someone else doesn't want to play tanks. If a player doesn't bother learning the game I'm fine with him/her not playing the game.

At least on Xbox I see no problem with the player base as it is now, queue times are short and battles mostly 15v15.

 

Playstation 4 has been steadily shrinking. And it doesn't have to be Fortnite, it has to be a fair and actually balanced game to keep itself alive. With +2/-2, the broken RNG, Artillery, etc. the game isn't that. Its not only showing its age, its driving away potential new players, veteran players are leaving in droves and there's no chance WOTM will be on Next Gen since it'll not be a moneymaker on the new consoles. When people move onto the PS5, enhanced Switch, and new XBox....WOTM is going to be left behind and people are again, going to drop it in droves for the new stuff since the game just isn't fun. I think even Wargaming has realized this since that's why they're trying out +1/-1 so much, they have to at least keep or draw a certain number of players if they want to have a reason for Sony, Microsoft, and maybe Nintendo to make a version of WOT for the next gen.

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View Postsupersaiyaman12, on 23 October 2019 - 08:41 AM, said:

 

There's a difference from 'challenging' to flat out unfair. Stock tanks should never fight +2 anyways given their guns aren't able to scratch the tanks 2 tiers above even WITH premium ammo and they don't have the upgrades to flank or take attacks. The fact of the matter is: new players don't bother anymore. They try the game out...and are instantly turned off by being put up against tanks they have no chance against or dicked on by arty.

The firing lanes must be avoided because the enemy presents his most armored part and escorts a stronger one to take advantage of the reload of the red tank to sting him in the side. But you're right, the game is less fun low tier at -2 and all my friends I initiated at the games have dropped because of -2.


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View Postsupersaiyaman12, on 23 October 2019 - 08:46 AM, said:

You say that, but World of Tanks PC's playerbase has not only be steady, but growing with their improvements and actually listening to concerns and trying to fix the problems. World of Tanks Mercenaries has been dying ever since the Mercenary tanks were added, new players won't have the patience to learn from the game but get better, they'll just move on. From 250,000 at most.....to barely 53,000. That is a sharp drop of players and its being lost every day. +1/-1, fixing RNG, and rolled dice would not only keep the players we already have, but draw in new ones and most importantly KEEP them. Since the game suddenly becomes a lot more fair and actually balanced.

 

False.   The numbers from these events don't show the claims you are making.


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View Postsupersaiyaman12, on 23 October 2019 - 10:52 AM, said:

 

Playstation 4 has been steadily shrinking. And it doesn't have to be Fortnite, it has to be a fair and actually balanced game to keep itself alive. With +2/-2, the broken RNG, Artillery, etc. the game isn't that. Its not only showing its age, its driving away potential new players, veteran players are leaving in droves and there's no chance WOTM will be on Next Gen since it'll not be a moneymaker on the new consoles. When people move onto the PS5, enhanced Switch, and new XBox....WOTM is going to be left behind and people are again, going to drop it in droves for the new stuff since the game just isn't fun. I think even Wargaming has realized this since that's why they're trying out +1/-1 so much, they have to at least keep or draw a certain number of players if they want to have a reason for Sony, Microsoft, and maybe Nintendo to make a version of WOT for the next gen.


Both PS5 and XboxScarlett will be backwards compatible, so no need to make the game for the new consoles. As for balance of the game, imo WoTC is the most balanced game I've played online. And if you change the game too much in order to please potential new tankers, you're risking losing us long time tankers. You can't please everyone, all the time.


 


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View Postsupersaiyaman12, on 23 October 2019 - 08:48 AM, said:

 

Players who go 'get good' love to ignore the actual problems the game has since they are either too invested with WOTM or they just love to pad out their stats by trolling at bottom tiers with overpowered premium tanks like Panzer V/IV, Absolution, etc.

 

No. Players who "got good" don't see the problems you're crying about as problems at all. Instead they have overcome the obstacles and learned how to play the game with everything it has to offer, including the not-so-perfect matchmaking.

 

Players who cry +/-2 mm is unfair do not want to "get good," instead they want to "feel good" with as little effort as possible. If WG caters to this type of player, the game will die much sooner than you think.

 

Oh, and your Rampanzer stat padding comment is not even worth acknowledging.


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As long as there are enough muppets out there, who can‘t even properly handle their Tier 10 tanks the +2/-2 is not the issue, but not getting these duds into your own team. I especially love those T8-10 light tanks, who think that hanging out with the heavies, or camping in narrow quarters is a good idea, while leaving the open ranges of the match unattended.

 

Hell, why does WoTM even need a „7th sense“, miraculously telling players, when someone is aiming at you via exclamation mark. A totally ludicrous free for all perk, devoid of all explanation/justification regarding it‘s existence. This perk ruins a lot of the tactical aspect of the game.


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View PostJohn Arrowsmith, on 23 October 2019 - 12:03 AM, said:

 

if you had used the advise you are trying  to give you would see that I play all classes.

 

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