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matematicalone #41 Posted 03 November 2019 - 11:41 AM

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I see KV-1 and Jumbo mentioned for some reason. Think derp on these two. Soviet derp is the best one at tier V. HEAT pen is 140 mm for almost 400 dmg, so better think again.



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View PostXLilabnerX, on 03 November 2019 - 11:34 AM, said:

I will stick to two, since some have more time in these forums. :

T150, Arl 44

 

You find the ARL 44 inadequate when bottom tier?

The thing gets three absolutely fantastic guns that it can pick and choose between, with penetrations varying between 170mm to 212mm.

 

I can't think of a tier VI heavy that does better when bottom tier.


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View PostJohn Arrowsmith, on 02 November 2019 - 06:30 PM, said:

 

did you read the 1st post in this thread or have you just decided to take this thread on a wild crusade.

 

I read it. Just another veiled attempt at stopping +1/-1 by showing that most tanks can handle +2/-2. And of course you jump to his defense.

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View Postx_BAlN_x, on 03 November 2019 - 01:48 PM, said:

 

I read it. Just another veiled attempt at stopping +1/-1 by showing that most tanks can handle +2/-2. And of course you jump to his defense.

 

if you read it then why are you discussing something the op stated wasn't being discussed in this thread.

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View PostM4ntiX, on 02 November 2019 - 11:58 PM, said:

 

That's what free XP is for and what this thread is not. We are discussing fully upgraded tanks that struggle when bottom tier.

 

Go away.

 

View PostSTUART SHERMAN, on 03 November 2019 - 12:00 AM, said:

 

So don’t linger on those stages. It’s what free xp is for. 

 

View PostJoco3000, on 03 November 2019 - 12:15 AM, said:

 

At your number of games, especially with all of the boosts that WG have provided over the past few years, you should have enough convertible XP to skipp past the stock grinds of any tank you'd care about.

 

I rarely use free XP to grind tanks, if I do it is either to finish the last stage (just a hundred or less to go) or to completely skip past a tier altogether (like I will probably skip the Italian tier I - IV and start at the V). I may use boosters however (but not always, depends on the tank) to help speed up the grind until I get to the final package where I then turn them off again until I get close to finishing then I may use them again. I guess I am a bit strange in that I enjoy grinding tanks and am in no real hurry to get through them all (probably why my stats suck, playing stock tanks will definitely stick a wrench in there). I will admit though that some of them are very painful. I am saving the Free XP for the Tier X premiums. I have bought one already (M60) and have more than enough to buy another.

 

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View PostAlbapfalzd3, on 03 November 2019 - 06:41 AM, said:

 

 

 

I rarely use free XP to grind tanks, if I do it is either to finish the last stage (just a hundred or less to go) or to completely skip past a tier altogether (like I will probably skip the Italian tier I - IV and start at the V). I may use boosters however (but not always, depends on the tank) to help speed up the grind until I get to the final package where I then turn them off again until I get close to finishing then I may use them again. I guess I am a bit strange in that I enjoy grinding tanks and am in no real hurry to get through them all (probably why my stats suck, playing stock tanks will definitely stick a wrench in there). I will admit though that some of them are very painful. I am saving the Free XP for the Tier X premiums. I have bought one already (M60) and have more than enough to buy another.

 

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View PostJoco3000, on 03 November 2019 - 01:32 PM, said:

 

You find the ARL 44 inadequate when bottom tier?

The thing gets three absolutely fantastic guns that it can pick and choose between, with penetrations varying between 170mm to 212mm.

 

I can't think of a tier VI heavy that does better when bottom tier.

 

KV-2. High Explosive spam doesn't care about your tier.

 

But otherwise I agree. The ARL44 is one of the lost capable tier 6 heavies. It gets 3 viable gun options, is decently mobile and has good Armour. 


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View PostTiagoBarriga, on 02 November 2019 - 11:57 PM, said:

 

This. Because we cannot ignore stock tanks, some times the good upgrades takes more time than the next tank

 

Stock tanks are bad when top tier. Get over it, everyone has had to go through the same stock grinds. 


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View Postmatematicalone, on 03 November 2019 - 06:41 AM, said:

I see KV-1 and Jumbo mentioned for some reason. Think derp on these two. Soviet derp is the best one at tier V. HEAT pen is 140 mm for almost 400 dmg, so better think again.

 

I actually find the derp guns on those two the reason I didn’t like either of those tanks when down two tiers. They can hit hard assuming they penetrate. But they reload so slowly they get one shot in and then get blasted while waiting to shoot again. 

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View PostTennisMan56, on 02 November 2019 - 07:26 PM, said:

 

O I agree just thought I would throw some humor into the mix. I run a tank a few games to see if it is even good when middle or top, then I may free xp it. But if this becomes a +2-2 mm I like +2-2. You have to keep in mind some people do not have enough free xp or do not understand to free xp past TT stages.

 

Lols, ok but most would still have some free xp to use for that first stage if they choose to, and after a few Aha! moments maybe start managing it for that purpose. Of course it’s a personal choice but I think it kinda weakens the whole “stock guns suck” argument. 
I do prefer -2/+2 bit it’s not about that. I know the tanks I don’t like at -2 are tanks I don’t really like at all, but I wondered what others thought on the subject. 
 

 


                                   

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Anything which relies on armour.

You can make most tanks bearable when bottom tiers as long as you have some mobility and can do some damage.

In my opinion the worst bottom tier tank is something like the Renault B1. At tier 6 it's armour is useless, it can't escape and it can't do any damage.


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View Postx_BAlN_x, on 03 November 2019 - 01:48 PM, said:

 

I read it. Just another veiled attempt at stopping +1/-1 by showing that most tanks can handle +2/-2. And of course you jump to his defense.

 

True, they put it on perspective so it can look less bad, but that's just keep throwing sand at the eyes
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View PostTiagoBarriga, on 03 November 2019 - 09:57 PM, said:

 

True, they put it on perspective so it can look less bad, but that's just keep throwing sand at the eyes

 

:facepalm:

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View PostJohn Arrowsmith, on 03 November 2019 - 04:27 PM, said:

 

:facepalm:

 

View PostTiagoBarriga, on 03 November 2019 - 03:57 PM, said:

 

True, they put it on perspective so it can look less bad, but that's just keep throwing sand at the eyes

 

don't you two start, i have already been on the edge of asking WG to lock the other thread, go back over there.

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View PostDe4thSt4lker206, on 03 November 2019 - 10:41 PM, said:

 

 

don't you two start, i have already been on the edge of asking WG to lock the other thread, go back over there.

 

I have no intention of starting anything,   I just suggested that the original post be respected instead of taking this thread on  a wild crusade like the other 1.


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View PostTiagoBarriga, on 03 November 2019 - 04:57 PM, said:

 

True, they put it on perspective so it can look less bad, but that's just keep throwing sand at the eyes

 

I respect your right to your opinion here as I do everyone else. I would really like to know if there are any tanks you feel are unplayable when -2. As a side benefit you may find advice to help you with that tank(s). Many of the better players here are will to give advice if asked. 


                                   

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View Postx_BAlN_x, on 03 November 2019 - 08:48 AM, said:

 

I read it. Just another veiled attempt at stopping +1/-1 by showing that most tanks can handle +2/-2. And of course you jump to his defense.

 

It’s an honest attempt to nail down the truly bad tanks that cannot handle being -2. This needs to be addressed wether they go to -1/+1 or not as most aren’t very good under any circumstances. 

                                   

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I already said some, all stock tanks, all super heavy, all OI's cromwels, british buldogs, is2, 110 and can add another: im finding pershing to be another pain now, it's too big and too slow, its outdated compared with all those new machines and it plays always against tier 9 and x, i fell the t20 was alot better than pershing even against the same tiers as pershing i suposse
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View PostTiagoBarriga, on 04 November 2019 - 12:02 AM, said:

I already said some, all stock tanks, all super heavy, all OI's cromwels, british buldogs, is2, 110 and can add another: im finding pershing to be another pain now, it's too big and too slow, its outdated compared with all those new machines and it plays always against tier 9 and x, i fell the t20 was alot better than pershing even against the same tiers as pershing i suposse

 

The 110 and Pershing I have, at least personally, found to be perfectly acceptable when bottom tier.

 

The Pershing gets a rather absurd premium round, and the 110 has surprisingly good mobility and frontal armour.

In fact, I have taken on a tier X TD frontally and ended up winning that fight before, although the guy driving was likely to be a little simple.


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View PostJoco3000, on 04 November 2019 - 12:09 AM, said:

 

The 110 and Pershing I have, at least personally, found to be perfectly acceptable when bottom tier.

 

The Pershing gets a rather absurd premium round, and the 110 has surprisingly good mobility and frontal armour.

In fact, I have taken on a tier X TD frontally and ended up winning that fight before, although the guy driving was likely to be a little simple.

 

premium round does nto count loool its pay to win, the tank is pure junk, tier 8 its almos unplayable with most tanks
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