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Col Bastos #1 Posted 05 November 2019 - 01:15 PM

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STOP with this sort of tanks, i play with my new obj 263, and the FV 4005 one shot me !

 

Are you kidding to let this sort of tanks with normals tanks ???

 

It's normal to one shot other tanks ???

 

For killing a tank in T10 with my 263 i must hit my target 5 ou 6 times or more if bounce, and with the FV 4005 just one shot, a bad player with this tank made 4000 dmg easily in quick shot.

 

Stupid tanks !!!



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So easy like u say it is wrong! A Bad Player what doesnt know where to shoot Tanks mostly do 700 dmg cause he dont pen and only do splash dmg. A Good Player know the thinner Amor and that Hits are mostly big Hits like 1500 dmg or a oneshot.   

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Even with aimed shots to get a pen it’s not like it gonna behave and hit where you want it. 
 

are you feeling lucky?

 


 


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Ha, get used to it, that thing cannot take an Arty hit. So I’m predicting a “nerf Arty” post coming 

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Well if going of your logic op....

why is the 263 in the game???? As my first shot in that monster oneshotted a is7....


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View PostCol Bastos, on 05 November 2019 - 02:15 PM, said:

STOP with this sort of tanks, i play with my new obj 263, and the FV 4005 one shot me !

 

Are you kidding to let this sort of tanks with normals tanks ???

 

It's normal to one shot other tanks ???

 

For killing a tank in T10 with my 263 i must hit my target 5 ou 6 times or more if bounce, and with the FV 4005 just one shot, a bad player with this tank made 4000 dmg easily in quick shot.

 

Stupid tanks !!!

 

He was lucky, that's all. I've played over 390 games with Deathstar that has same gun than FV4005 and I think I've only one-shotted tier 10 tank on full health two times: One time Object 268 in Lakeville and once a Object 263 in Ravaged Capital. I've killed several other tier 10's in "one-shot" by ammorack or burning them to death but those doesn't qualify for proper "one-shot kills" imo.

Edited by Haukkis, 05 November 2019 - 05:31 PM.


wake_the_move #7 Posted 05 November 2019 - 11:42 PM

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But he is right. Either the HESH pen should be adjusted to PC values (230mm), or it‘s Alpha should be reduced to 1400-1500 average. Right now any player loads full HESH, which is somewhat ludicrous. 


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No NO and NOOO

 



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View PostNSW Mntd Rifles, on 06 November 2019 - 06:27 AM, said:

No NO and NOOO

 

 

Yes, yes, and yes! Yeah, it maybe is fun to take out anything but a Tier X almost reliably in an instant, but it is way not so on the receiving and. And 275mm compared to 230mm really makes this a lot easier as it should be.


Edited by wake_the_move, 07 November 2019 - 07:18 AM.


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View Postwake_the_move, on 07 November 2019 - 02:16 AM, said:

Yes, yes, and yes! Yeah, it maybe is fun to take out anything but a Tier X almost reliably in an instant, but it is way not so on the receiving and. And 275mm compared to 230mm really makes this a lot easier as it should be.

 

Tier 8s are the only tanks that can be taken out with a single shot almost reliably.  I'm not arguing for or against nerfing the tank, but exaggerating what it does doesn't help you at all.

 

Tanks and tank destroyers that can one shot the same or lower tiers with a good or lucky shot, have always existed on console, all the way down to tier two. I'm not sure why anyone wants to pretend that this one group of TDs armed  with this particular gun, is game-breaking.



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View PostHighSpyker, on 07 November 2019 - 12:44 PM, said:

 

Tier 8s are the only tanks that can be taken out with a single shot almost reliably.  I'm not arguing for or against nerfing the tank, but exaggerating what it does doesn't help you at all.

 

Tanks and tank destroyers that can one shot the same or lower tiers with a good or lucky shot, have always existed on console, all the way down to tier two. I'm not sure why anyone wants to pretend that this one group of TDs armed  with this particular gun, is game-breaking.

 

Indeed, but „one shotters“ at lower tiers often enough have way worse accuracy, around 0.5 and beyond. Also their pen values with the high damaging ammo in their selection also features meager pen values. So there is a difference here. On a sidenote, for some reason RNG is very kind to those Deathstars and Sh*tbarn regarding damage rolls. I way to often saw untouched T9s getting oneshotted by the up this 2188 max damage mayhem. Guess there was a reason, why WG PC made the decision to decrease the pen.

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View Postwake_the_move, on 08 November 2019 - 03:44 PM, said:

 

Indeed, but „one shotters“ at lower tiers often enough have way worse accuracy, around 0.5 and beyond. Also their pen values with the high damaging ammo in their selection also features meager pen values. So there is a difference here. On a sidenote, for some reason RNG is very kind to those Deathstars and Sh*tbarn regarding damage rolls. I way to often saw untouched T9s getting oneshotted by the up this 2188 max damage mayhem. Guess there was a reason, why WG PC made the decision to decrease the pen.

 

Uh...yeah, but almost all guns are much less accurate at those tiers.  I haven'te noticed a high % of high dmg rolls with the 183, though the 4005 seems a bit better.

 



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The Sh*tbarn got .38 acc, the Deathstar 0.4. So were does this compare to 0.5+? To say that 1750 average alpha with that still managable accuracy in a single shot with a potential to go even up to almost 2200 is alright, but autoloaders break the game is kind of schizophrenic.



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Fought a 5 man platoon of 183s last night.  Red team lost pretty significantly. 

 

If "good" accuracy at tier 2 is .46 (US 37mm M5) .5m isn't much worse.  

 

I haven't argued that autoloaders are OP or gamebreaking.  



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Yeah, I also had a match against 4 183s once, and my team and I managed to win without significant losses, though this was due to the fact that the reds made a huge mistake, which we could exploit to destroy them without much trouble. Was in my 430U.

 

However do you think this is really representative for the whole situation? Most games I‘m in these vehicles cause even more frustration among players than „regular“ artillery does.


Edited by wake_the_move, 13 November 2019 - 10:38 AM.


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4000 damage easily in one shot? Eh?

 

I like the heshbarn, zero armour, any gun can pen it and any sort of HE shell will completely wreck you.

 

I have about 20 clips of doing 1800 in it, yet to have a bigger roll. Quite satisfying penning a 430U cancer HEAT spamming tank and setting them on fire.



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View PostOrbtastic1, on 13 November 2019 - 11:33 AM, said:

4000 damage easily in one shot? Eh?

I like the heshbarn, zero armour, any gun can pen it and any sort of HE shell will completely wreck you.

I have about 20 clips of doing 1800 in it, yet to have a bigger roll. Quite satisfying penning a 430U cancer HEAT spamming tank and setting them on fire.

 

This was neither about showing off, nor putting another tank into the rank. Also as if 430U pilots were the only one shooting HEAT. There are plenty of mediums out there like the AX, E50M, M48, which also feature the same kind of ammunition, spamming those as much as any other.


Yes, you‘re stats are nice, but talking sense plus contributing to the actual matter of debate would be nicer.


Edited by wake_the_move, 13 November 2019 - 11:55 AM.


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Nah, the 430u is cancer, I've yet to see a single player on console who doesn't spam premium in it, at light tanks too.

 

As to the 4005, the OP is just wrong. No tanks have 4000 HP. The 4005 can't even roll much above 1800 with HESH. I've yet to have a single roll above that. Only Tier 8s and a couple of tier 9s are getting one shot with the Alpha. You might get the odd fire or ammo rack but they're not that common.

 

Like I pointed out, the turret (which is HUGE, completely devoid of strong points, angling or ability to hide) is 14mm thick. That means literally any gun in the entire game can pen you, even tier 1 tanks. HE shells from any tank this meets will pen the turret, which is impossible to hide and any sort of pen will kill crew/modules/ammo rack etc. The engine deck has 14mm of armour too. The frontal hull and upper glacis with angling is only 105mm at its thickest point.

 

It has awful Camo, on a par with Japanese heavies, has horrible turret traverse and god-awful bloom on the gun etc.

 

I dunno, doesn't seem broken to me. Yeah you can autoaim and not pen and do ~600dmg, so what? 30 second reload.

 

The only way a Maus or E100 is getting all its hit points deleted on a regular basis is with Tier 10 arty.



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View PostOrbtastic1, on 13 November 2019 - 01:12 PM, said:

Nah, the 430u is cancer, I've yet to see a single player on console who doesn't spam premium in it, at light tanks too.

 

As to the 4005, the OP is just wrong. No tanks have 4000 HP. The 4005 can't even roll much above 1800 with HESH. I've yet to have a single roll above that. Only Tier 8s and a couple of tier 9s are getting one shot with the Alpha. You might get the odd fire or ammo rack but they're not that common.

 

Like I pointed out, the turret (which is HUGE, completely devoid of strong points, angling or ability to hide) is 14mm thick. That means literally any gun in the entire game can pen you, even tier 1 tanks. HE shells from any tank this meets will pen the turret, which is impossible to hide and any sort of pen will kill crew/modules/ammo rack etc. The engine deck has 14mm of armour too. The frontal hull and upper glacis with angling is only 105mm at its thickest point.

It has awful Camo, on a par with Japanese heavies, has horrible turret traverse and god-awful bloom on the gun etc.

I dunno, doesn't seem broken to me. Yeah you can autoaim and not pen and do ~600dmg, so what? 30 second reload.

The only way a Maus or E100 is getting all its hit points deleted on a regular basis is with Tier 10 arty.

 

I for example also use regular AP shells with my 430U, as their pen value is good enough, especially while flanking.

 

On topic. The OP does not mean that 4000 damage can be done in a single shot on one tank, or that there is a tank with 4000 HP. He stated that even „below average players“ can easily accumulate 4000+ damage during an entire match with little effort while using the FV4005. Technically all it needs are 3 direct hits. Even just 2, if you are really lucky.

 

You are also wrong about the max damage of those HESH rounds. 1750 is their average damage. The tolerance is 25%. So the minimum damage is 1313, while the max damage is 2188, which is enough to insta-kill even several tier 10 vehicles, including the Sh*tbarn itself. So it can very well go significantly beyond 1800. Also check the ammo descriptions at the tank specs ingame.

 

Yes, camo is almost none-existent, as is armor. Yet this vehicle is quite nimble. That‘s why most players just wait around a corner for the red taking his shot on a teammate, then they quickly peek around - boom - and pull back. And often enough, that is the immediate death sentence for the receiving player. This is even more annoying than any autoloader. Also with 0.38 acc and 275 mm pen (average, so effectively 206-344 mm due to RNG) enough sh*tbarn players dare shooting their HESH long range...with success.

 

 


Edited by wake_the_move, 13 November 2019 - 02:27 PM.


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Right but like I said - 20 vids of me doing my max hesh damage (I go full hesh). Not one of them is above 1800. I've a platoon mate who has played this tank way way more than I do and he's not had a roll above ~1800.

 

I've never been one shot in a Tier 10 vehicle, including the 4005 itself. I've been put down to double digit health AFTER a fire but still not one-shotted by a 4005.

 

I know how RNG works, I'm saying it doesn't seem to happen and I've never seen it, in ~42,000 games. I'm sure there's lots of videos on youtube, probably from the PC but of all the console vids I've seen I've not seen high dmg roll where the entire HP pool is deleted.






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