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Poll: Would Permanent +1 -1 Benefit or Hurt WoT? (111 members have cast votes)

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Would Permanent +1 -1 Benefit or Hurt WoT?

  1. It would bring in more players, satisfaction, & revenue for WoT (81 votes [72.97%])

    Percentage of vote: 72.97%

  2. It would have a more negative effect with people leaving the game (30 votes [27.03%])

    Percentage of vote: 27.03%

Aside from how it affects Wargaming, would you prefer +1 -1?

  1. Yes (78 votes [70.27%])

    Percentage of vote: 70.27%

  2. No (33 votes [29.73%])

    Percentage of vote: 29.73%

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jonesofcolorado #1 Posted 08 November 2019 - 03:05 PM

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Would a permanent +1 -1 benefit Wargaming or hurt it? Seems most of the consensus is it would be a good thing and that most people like it, while there are a few opposed to it. Would it attract more players? Would more leave than it would attract? Would revenue increase or decrease? 

 

Personally I enjoy +1 -1 more, but that's just my opinion. :popcorn:



ll Jedi Dado #2 Posted 08 November 2019 - 03:16 PM

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+1 for me too. Kind of tired of all the tier 8 games as of the past year where you get constantly in a tier 10 lobby and frequently you are among one or 2 tier 8's in the game. I know other players feel the same and noone plays tier 8's unless they have to. It used to be the most fun class in game, but its no more. Besides WG Ops like the Chisel where you need to play tier 9/10 and reduces the pool of players at tier 8, the fact is that as the game has aged, most players nowdays own and play tier 10's. Noone grinds anymore, noone really needs too. So keeping the tier 8's as a minority it hurts the player who needs silver and the potentially new player who needs to grind. So to answer your poll moving on to a +1-1 I feel it will retain more players and make the game more accessible to new ones which always results to more money for WG. A dead player does not buy new tanks and noone really buys silver with gold.

 


M4ntiX #3 Posted 08 November 2019 - 03:21 PM

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Well. We already know it wouldn't bring more players in, because it didn't during either of the events.

 

Personally, I prefer +/-2 mm. Besides, +/-1 would require a global tank rebalancing and quite frankly, given previous balancing passes, this would probably be a disaster and the end of WOT as we know it.


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View PostM4ntiX, on 08 November 2019 - 09:21 AM, said:

Well. We already know it wouldn't bring more players in, because it didn't during either of the events.

 

Personally, I prefer +/-2 mm. Besides, +/-1 would require a global tank rebalancing and quite frankly, given previous balancing passes, this would probably be a disaster and the end of WOT as we know it.

 

Pretty dramatic statement there queenie.

Edited by x_BAlN_x, 08 November 2019 - 03:43 PM.


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I think it'd benefit the game. 

I can only play late evening/night (EU times) and i'm tired of fighting tier 10 every Match when playing my T8 prems. So i play less and with less motivation. 

And i know i'm not the only one. 


 

                             

 

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vVMr GoodCatVv #6 Posted 08 November 2019 - 03:59 PM

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I dont particularly care if we have it or not (as long as light tanks retain +/-2) but it may help retain some players and frankly thats just a feeling, I have no data or anything to back that up. We have seen it doesn't increase the playerbase.

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jonesofcolorado #7 Posted 08 November 2019 - 03:59 PM

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View PostM4ntiX, on 08 November 2019 - 08:21 AM, said:

Well. We already know it wouldn't bring more players in, because it didn't during either of the events.

 

Personally, I prefer +/-2 mm. Besides, +/-1 would require a global tank rebalancing and quite frankly, given previous balancing passes, this would probably be a disaster and the end of WOT as we know it.

 

I don't see why it would require a tank rebalancing? I'd prefer it wasn't rebalanced. Also, how do we know how the player count was in the events? I saw posts form people who said they quit playing but came back and played during the +1 -1... 

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View Postx_BAlN_x, on 08 November 2019 - 03:43 PM, said:

 

Pretty dramatic statement there queenie.

 

Thank you, dear. :girl:


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TiagoBarriga #9 Posted 08 November 2019 - 05:09 PM

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Everyone wants +1-1, the big majority of players at least, only a few hardcore duds do not
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View PostTiagoBarriga, on 08 November 2019 - 05:09 PM, said:

Everyone wants +1-1, the big majority of players at least, only a few hardcore duds do not

 

duds? Dude making friends isnt as hard as you are making it seem.

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View Postjonesofcolorado, on 08 November 2019 - 10:59 AM, said:

 

I don't see why it would require a tank rebalancing? I'd prefer it wasn't rebalanced. Also, how do we know how the player count was in the events? I saw posts form people who said they quit playing but came back and played during the +1 -1... 

The player numbers are in this thread 

 

http://forum-console.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/184122-player-numbers-daily-tally-report/page__pid__4882728__st__1660#entry4882728

 

Tank balancing would have to happen. Up until tier 9, tanks are given enough pen to compete when they are -2. If those tanks retain the same values, armor would become even more irrelevant. Additionally, look at the alpha of several tanks, particularly TD’s. Why would a tier 8 TD need a 750 alpha gun if it was to only see tier 9 tanks?   There are other factors as well, not just pen and alpha. 


   

 

                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                 

 


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Even though I'm no longer playing (right now anyhow) I was a huge proponent for +1/-1 because my platoon was more often than not at -2 the majority of games we played for years. It made no sense as to why we were so often, and a lot of those times we were the only -2's on our team, sometimes in the game. Though we did well enough, and many times carries the team, it was sickening to have to do it so often. Then the times we couldn't just made it that much more aggravating. If we were ever top tier, we actually celebrated, for it was exceedingly less common than -2, let alone -1.

 

But over all, mere +1/-1 will only help those who hate being under tiered repetitiously. It will never fix the overwhelming match making broken issues that are basically ignored by the powers that be.

Until match making tank types, tiers, tank balancing, and platoons are all taken into consideration prior to setting up teams, it will never be any better. Using "tank weight" gives some of the most lopsided, mind blowing miss matched games that could never be conceived if a person were to try to make that poorly of miss matched teams. Too many games are decided before they even start because of this.



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View PostM4ntiX, on 08 November 2019 - 05:21 PM, said:

Well. We already know it wouldn't bring more players in, because it didn't during either of the events.

 

I'd argue a week isn't long enough to show the effects as mainly players who still play the game even knew about the event.


 

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View PostEl Materdor43, on 08 November 2019 - 05:33 PM, said:

The player numbers are in this thread 

 

http://forum-console.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/184122-player-numbers-daily-tally-report/page__pid__4882728__st__1660#entry4882728

 

Tank balancing would have to happen. Up until tier 9, tanks are given enough pen to compete when they are -2. If those tanks retain the same values, armor would become even more irrelevant. Additionally, look at the alpha of several tanks, particularly TD’s. Why would a tier 8 TD need a 750 alpha gun if it was to only see tier 9 tanks?   There are other factors as well, not just pen and alpha. 

 

You can't expect to increase player base only during an event, event is temporarly, also even if it were permanent players had not enogh time to know about the changes, alot of cases were players just try the game and find those nonesense rules and thye do not like abnd go to other game, those players will not care about events
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View PostLifeTilts, on 08 November 2019 - 05:42 PM, said:

 

I'd argue a week isn't long enough to show the effects as mainly players who still play the game even knew about the event.

 

True, and its just an event, who will play a game that is only 'better' just during the event? its better not to start playing at all
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I agree that +1/-1 doesn’t appear to be a miracle panacea for playerbase growth. But I do believe it might slowly help. I don’t think a reasonable verdict on whether +1/-1 will improve numbers can be drawn from a couple of week long events. The most you could say is that the daily numbers didn’t show a mass return of former players. The process of getting hooked on a game or dropping a game forever out of frustration is drawn out. Playing a game that feels fun more often than it feels lousy is probably one of the keys to new player retention, but it’s going to take weeks of that experience to get a casual player hooked.

 

Similarly, it takes time for word of mouth to bring people around, so any positive or negative feedback from the +1/-1 events is going to have a long  flash to bang.
 

On the other hand, I personally agree with those who say that being -2 provides a welcome challenge and an opportunity to excel against tanks two tiers higher. I don’t really mind +2/-2. And in lights I think it’s almost always fun being -2.

 

I’m for it, but only if lights remain -2, as previously mentioned in this thread by vV Mr GoodCat Vv


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Can't vote. Not fussed on it, I prefer -+2, and wish they didn't run it, i feel as though its fudged the gamplay when goin back to normal. 

 


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View PostM4ntiX, on 08 November 2019 - 03:21 PM, said:

Well. We already know it wouldn't bring more players in, because it didn't during either of the events.

 

Personally, I prefer +/-2 mm. Besides, +/-1 would require a global tank rebalancing and quite frankly, given previous balancing passes, this would probably be a disaster and the end of WOT as we know it.


You eat junk the whole life along all those years, cookies, humburgers, chocolate(ups not a bad one) you also never exercised yourself, you never cared about the warnings you keep your habit because it was somewhat lazzy working. Now you got some serious health problems and you are obese and now you want to reduce some wight and get healthier, you then start a new diet for a week and you got no results and then you say the diet changes nothing... sure its a easy way out, it's easy to think that way so you can justify your old habits... the game, WG and old players are like that example above, there we have alot of obcessed players for stats an not for fun, we have a company obcessed only for profit especially in a short term profit, and then we get the game we have right now.. can't you see it? is clear as clean water for me.
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Again this? Eh, the density of some peeps..

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View PostM4ntiX, on 08 November 2019 - 03:21 PM, said:

Well. We already know it wouldn't bring more players in, because it didn't during either of the events.

 

Personally, I prefer +/-2 mm. Besides, +/-1 would require a global tank rebalancing and quite frankly, given previous balancing passes, this would probably be a disaster and the end of WOT as we know it.

 

you state this like it would be a bad thing. Sorry, but any game with historical elements and tanks with rocket boosters attached needs to be “reassessed”. Besides, this is a regional game. Very few would even know something changed.





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