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Poll: Would Permanent +1 -1 Benefit or Hurt WoT? (133 members have cast votes)

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Would Permanent +1 -1 Benefit or Hurt WoT?

  1. It would bring in more players, satisfaction, & revenue for WoT (98 votes [73.68%])

    Percentage of vote: 73.68%

  2. It would have a more negative effect with people leaving the game (35 votes [26.32%])

    Percentage of vote: 26.32%

Aside from how it affects Wargaming, would you prefer +1 -1?

  1. Yes (95 votes [71.43%])

    Percentage of vote: 71.43%

  2. No (38 votes [28.57%])

    Percentage of vote: 28.57%

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jonesofcolorado #41 Posted 08 November 2019 - 09:40 PM

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View PostIBROX 04, on 08 November 2019 - 02:36 PM, said:

Here's a question. Do you think for a minute that if +1-1 hurt or genuinely made more revenue. That they would implement it or not? 

 

If the players are happier, then yes of course they'll play it more and spend more on the game. 

 

Edit - I misread that originally. Ultimately they will do whatever makes the most revenue, yes. Almost every company does that. Working for a software company myself... I've personally seen this. It's not about what development wants to do, it's about making the most money possible. It's business. 


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View Postjonesofcolorado, on 08 November 2019 - 09:40 PM, said:

 

If the players are happier, then yes of course they'll play it more and spend more on the game. 

 

So why hasn't it been added permanently? 

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View PostJohn Arrowsmith, on 08 November 2019 - 09:11 PM, said:

Isn't it great how people still seem to think +1 mm will bring in masses of new players even though every test so far shows otherwise.

 

It's been said before and it will be said several times again,  +1 mm doesn't solve the problems that need to be solved.

 

-+1 is trash, we want -+0 :hiding:

 


jonesofcolorado #44 Posted 08 November 2019 - 09:45 PM

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View PostIBROX 04, on 08 November 2019 - 02:41 PM, said:

 

So why hasn't it been added permanently? 

 

I'd like to know that myself! The poll obviously shows 2 to 1 would prefer the change. Happy players will play more and spend more. 

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View PostJungl1st-Souljah, on 08 November 2019 - 02:44 PM, said:

 

-+1 is trash, we want -+0 :hiding:

 

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I have to admit, I have played a few games where every tank is the same tier... it's pretty exciting!


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View Postjonesofcolorado, on 08 November 2019 - 09:45 PM, said:

 

I'd like to know that myself! The poll obviously shows 2 to 1 would prefer the change. Happy players will play more and spend more. 

 

the only way to truly find out, is to do a poll in game, in the menu

 


jonesofcolorado #47 Posted 08 November 2019 - 09:50 PM

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View PostJungl1st-Souljah, on 08 November 2019 - 02:49 PM, said:

 

the only way to truly find out, is to do a poll in game, in the menu

 

That's true, it would probably give a better result. I played the game for 4 years or so (?) before I realized there was a forum. That would give a higher population vote for sure. 

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They already had a poll.  70% preferred +1/-1.  A bunch of very vocal players didn't.  There have been dozens of threads on this including a few still in circulation- do we need another thread of this argument?

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View PostHuncho_Mystic, on 08 November 2019 - 02:55 PM, said:

They already had a poll.  70% preferred +1/-1.  A bunch of very vocal players didn't.  There have been dozens of threads on this including a few still in circulation- do we need another thread of this argument?

 

70%? Wow that's higher than what I expected. I guess if people keep bringing it up, there must be something to it... 

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View Postjonesofcolorado, on 08 November 2019 - 04:37 PM, said:

 

Yeah I could see a rebalance maybe needed on those with super high damage and good penetration. I don't have either of those. I don't think that's generally the norm either, probably a few one-offs. 

It’s not just tier 8. Look at the lower tiers as well. Additionally, let’s look at a tank that I have and like playing regardless of top or bottom placement, the Pershing. It gets 268mm of Premium pen. That allows it to contribute when in tier 10 games.  If left as is in a 2 tier spread, most heavy tanks it would face couldn't stop it from penning shots regardless of tactics. There are a few to be sure that just sit there and let it plink but mostly, it would pen. Armor becomes less of a thing in that environment. The Pershing is more mobile than most tier 8 heavies, with notable exceptions, so it then has two advantages working in its favor. The pen on it, and others all across the spectrum, would require rebalancing, in my opinion. There is already lots of premium ammo fired in games and it won’t scale back in a 2 tier spread.  The game is already trending towards a COD type playstyle and in my opinion, that’s one of the effects it will have on the game.  Gameplay won’t be any different. I seen blowouts aplenty in the trial and event for -1/+1 and when I see games now that only have 2 tiers present. 
 

When the optics and the novelty of a 2 tier spread wear off and players still experience steamrolls, the game is in a bad place.  The next step would be to eliminate the package system. All tanks would be fully upgraded. That’s not going to work, no need to free XP from the stock package to the final, therefore no gold used to convert XP. Then you are left with a terrible choice, a 0 tier spread. 
 

Tank balance and fixing the MM provide a better path forward, in my opinion. 


   

 

                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                 

 


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View Postjonesofcolorado, on 08 November 2019 - 09:40 PM, said:

 

If the players are happier, then yes of course they'll play it more and spend more on the game. 

 

Edit - I misread that originally. Ultimately they will do whatever makes the most revenue, yes. Almost every company does that. Working for a software company myself... I've personally seen this. It's not about what development wants to do, it's about making the most money possible. It's business. 

 

Now that's the answer and no need for a poll. It's already been renamed a test to an event. So WG has the data. Wouldn't you say? So it's either a couple of more months and then nothing else. All to keep up appearances of course. 

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View PostM4ntiX, on 08 November 2019 - 09:21 AM, said:

Well. We already know it wouldn't bring more players in, because it didn't during either of the events.

 

Personally, I prefer +/-2 mm. Besides, +/-1 would require a global tank rebalancing and quite frankly, given previous balancing passes, this would probably be a disaster and the end of WOT as we know it.

 

c'mon, the game needs a global tank re-balancing as it is, it is one of the primary reasons people want +-1. (fighting a +2 in a non-light is hard enough, fighting an OPAF +2? yeah not even worth playing.) 

 

 

i believe it wouldn't necessarily bring in more players, the game is too late in it's life cycle for that, but would help with player retention among those who are either less skilled or more casual. 


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View PostHuncho_Mystic, on 08 November 2019 - 09:55 PM, said:

They already had a poll.  70% preferred +1/-1.  A bunch of very vocal players didn't.  There have been dozens of threads on this including a few still in circulation- do we need another thread of this argument?

 

We should not need more threads, it's already well know everybody wants to bring justice to the game, everyone weats a fair game a game more pleasant to play with more fun
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View PostTiagoBarriga, on 08 November 2019 - 10:30 PM, said:

 

We should not need more threads, it's already well know everybody wants to bring justice to the game, everyone weats a fair game a game more pleasant to play with more fun

 

 

 


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So now that the tests have been changed to events,   perhaps the data shows that all the incredibly broken tanks are performing even better than they were before.    Solving this would require nerfs,   we all know what the reaction would be  about nerfs to people's favourite tanks.  

 

 Wg are backed into a corner,  it's a no win situation.   This really is the best outcome,   both side of the argument can technically have what they want,  many medals/ribbons won't have to be altered and obserd balance of many tanks can still be ignored.

 

 

As for all the polls people keep claiming mass victory with,  come on for goodness sake,   yes 70% but the 60 people (40 alts probs)who participated in the poll don't exactly represent the entire game population.:teethhappy:


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View PostTiagoBarriga, on 08 November 2019 - 10:30 PM, said:

 

We should not need more threads, it's already well know everybody wants to bring justice to the game, everyone weats a fair game a game more pleasant to play with more fun

 

+1  doesnt solve the problem that should be addressed.

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We've had these polls before, while people in this forum aren't the majority of players including myself, it still gives for a good survey and people have voted for +1/-1 by a mile, now is that the solution to fixing game, in my opinion NO. Whether true or not have heard WOTC have a low overall budget with less devs working on game, if true it would be hard to really address the main issues of game ie balancing, rng, tank review and fix, development, fresh ideas so on ... currently it feels a bandaid is placed to an ill arm which will continue to get worse, what the game needs is a good doctor to really find a solution to fixing and healing it.  A good start is by listening to people who understand the game and work with its community.  
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View PostJohn Arrowsmith, on 08 November 2019 - 10:42 PM, said:

So now that the tests have been changed to events,   perhaps the data shows that all the incredibly broken tanks are performing even better than they were before.    Solving this would require nerfs,   we all know what the reaction would be  about nerfs to people's favourite tanks.  

 

 Wg are backed into a corner,  it's a no win situation.   This really is the best outcome,   both side of the argument can technically have what they want,  many medals/ribbons won't have to be altered and obserd balance of many tanks can still be ignored.

 

 

As for all the polls people keep claiming mass victory with,  come on for goodness sake,   yes 70% but the 60 people (40 alts probs)who participated in the poll don't exactly represent the entire game population.:teethhappy:

 

Exactly. Totally way way too many changes that WG couldn't possibly even do. Now I'm wondering what WG was up to while pulling down our pants. 

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+ 1 / -1 would be a real improvement. Unfortunately, this discussion has existed for many years and is boring :trollface:
 


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View PostIBROX 04, on 08 November 2019 - 11:07 PM, said:

 

Exactly. Totally way way too many changes that WG couldn't possibly even do. Now I'm wondering what WG was up to while pulling down our pants. 

 

 

That's easy to solve.   A reskinned asbo with an autoloader and pmm.:trollface:


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