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[jonesofcolorado]

Hola amigos, I have an equipment question. I got the M60 which has spotting at 100% already. I see in the tank modules, it has a view range of up to 420 meters or so. 

 

So if I put binoculars on that increase it 10%... does it increase the view range to 460 or whatever? Or since it's already at 100%, does it not do anything for the tank?

 

If it does nothing, would that be a defect or feature to offer me equipment that doesn't do anything? I would hope that the game wouldn't allow me to select equipment in that scenario, and cost me 10 gold to sell it (if I chose to not lose the silver).

 

Thanks! 

[theSwansonFTW]

It won't increase the view range above 420, but it will count towards the crews ability to spot against reds camo factors. 420 is hard cap but soft cap can be raised.

[AnonymousHobo69]

theSwansonFTW, on 02 December 2019 - 05:46 PM, said:

It won't increase the view range above 420, but it will count towards the crews ability to spot against reds camo factors. 420 is hard cap but soft cap can be raised.

 

This is incorrect. The Max spotting distance is actually 445 meters. All view range above said distance then helps with spotting targets with greater concealment.

jonesofcolorado, on 02 December 2019 - 05:42 PM, said:

Hola amigos, I have an equipment question. I got the M60 which has spotting at 100% already. I see in the tank modules, it has a view range of up to 420 meters or so. 

 

So if I put binoculars on that increase it 10%... does it increase the view range to 460 or whatever? Or since it's already at 100%, does it not do anything for the tank?

 

If it does nothing, would that be a defect or feature to offer me equipment that doesn't do anything? I would hope that the game wouldn't allow me to select equipment in that scenario, and cost me 10 gold to sell it (if I chose to not lose the silver).

 

Thanks! 

 

If you put optics on the m60, that would increase it's basal view range from 420 to 462. However, you also need to take into account your crew mastery (less than a 100% crew won't perform the base value), your crew skills (recon/situational awareness increase view range), and other factors like using vents or food. There is no system of the game telling you an equipment piece isn't useful.

 

[Sammael85]

jonesofcolorado, on 03 December 2019 - 12:42 AM, said:

So if I put binoculars on that increase it 10%...

 

Incorrect... Binos increases view range for 25%, but you have to be static a certain amount of seconds to let them work and not move the hull at all.

You might want to put Optics instead, those increases view range by just that 10% but let you move freely, meaning that increment is permanent.

[theSwansonFTW]

AnonymousHobo69, on 02 December 2019 - 11:47 PM, said:

 

This is incorrect. The Max spotting distance is actually 445 meters. All view range above said distance then helps with spotting targets with greater concealment.

 

If you put optics on the m60, that would increase it's basal view range from 420 to 462. However, you also need to take into account your crew mastery (less than a 100% crew won't perform the base value), your crew skills (recon/situational awareness increase view range), and other factors like using vents or food. There is no system of the game telling you an equipment piece isn't useful.

 

 

Fair enough the hard cap figure was wrong, my bad. But i was right that any increase above that is useful.

[I_TriffNix]

I use rammer vert stabs and venti 

[matematicalone]

I watched some YT-ers and some of them use Optics, some don't. In any case V-stabs and rammer are a must, and third slot can be Optics or Vents. Those are some sweet problems for you, cause M60 is topnotch in almost any category (except armor)

[SirDerp-a-lot]

jonesofcolorado, on 03 December 2019 - 12:42 AM, said:

Hola amigos, I have an equipment question. I got the M60 which has spotting at 100% already. I see in the tank modules, it has a view range of up to 420 meters or so.

 

So if I put binoculars on that increase it 10%... does it increase the view range to 460 or whatever?

 

Definitely use the optics, view range is one of the best features of the tank and should be supported by the equipment. Without optics, a tier VIII medium tank with optics will have a better view range. You should also use a crew with Brothers in Arms and both view skills.

 

There is a maximum spotting distance of 445m and the M60 will reach it, however your view range will still counter the camouflage of red tanks. For example, if your tank's view range would come out exactly at 445m, you wouldn't actually spot any tank at that distance. You would spot very big tanks like the Waffenträger or the Type 5 at 443m or so, and all other tanks at decreasing distances depending on their camouflage rating.

 

Wotinfo has a camouflage calculator that appears to be pretty accurate, you should visit and play around with it. Example: A naked M60 will spot a T-100 at 347m, a maxed out one will spot it at 438m, close to a 100m difference.

 

jonesofcolorado, on 03 December 2019 - 12:42 AM, said:

Or since it's already at 100%, does it not do anything for the tank?

 

The compund values seen in the garage are very often misleading, you should ignore them completely.

[SirDerp-a-lot]

matematicalone, on 03 December 2019 - 09:12 AM, said:

In any case V-stabs and rammer are a must, and third slot can be Optics or Vents.

 

I disagree, the M60's gun is already excellent, and a stabilizer will have little practical effect. I use a rammer, optics and vents.

[M4ntiX]

Hola! Don't use optics on the M60. It already has best in class view range. Assuming you run food (which you should) and have a good crew in it (which you also should since this is a Premium tank) run Rammer, Vert Stab and Vents to maximize the phenomenal gun handling and increase DPM. With this set up you will have 485 metres view range, meaning you will out-spot everything bar the sneakiest lights and td's, and will minimize your exposure when firing since you will be able to snap-shot quickly.

[vHD JOKERZ]

Depends really but people here have valid reason for either running or not running optics. However I'm on the fence on running optics, even when I have a crew that exceeds the 445m view range. Degrading the enemies camo always helps out and is especially fun when you can spot a target at 400 + metres and fire with impunity. Think on mine I run rammer, v-stabs (For shooting one the move) and optics. Not 100% certain as I'm not at home atm

[Tempest fox3]

M4ntiX, on 03 December 2019 - 09:48 AM, said:

Hola! Don't use optics on the M60. It already has best in class view range. Assuming you run food (which you should) and have a good crew in it (which you also should since this is a Premium tank) run Rammer, Vert Stab and Vents to maximize the phenomenal gun handling and increase DPM. With this set up you will have 485 metres view range, meaning you will out-spot everything bar the sneakiest lights and td's, and will minimize your exposure when firing since you will be able to snap-shot quickly.

 

Outspotting things would require it to actually have a camo rating. 

[M4ntiX]

Tempest fox3, on 03 December 2019 - 01:28 PM, said:

 

Outspotting things would require it to actually have a camo rating. 

 

Are you on a mission to undermine everything I say or what's the sketch here?

 

I don't have any problems with camo and out-spotting other tanks in my M60 using  Vents instead of Optics, 485 metres of view range is more than enough.

[Kebabsaurus Rex]

Assuming you have a good crew (10+ skills, ideally 15 or more) - food, vents, vert stabs, and rammer (increase DPM)

 

If your crew does not have 10+ perks (including sit aware, recon, camo, firefighting etc) then you could consider optics instead of rammer

[killer etzi0]

It's already been stated.... once you max out the view range anything you add to "view power" helps break down enemy tank camo values. It sure is nice when a Tier X medium, like the Patton, out scouts the red's tier IX-X light tanks. 

[Tempest fox3]

M4ntiX, on 03 December 2019 - 02:24 PM, said:

 

Are you on a mission to undermine everything I say or what's the sketch here?

 

I don't have any problems with camo and out-spotting other tanks in my M60 using  Vents instead of Optics, 485 metres of view range is more than enough.

 

it's good at spotting but it also gets spotted by the enemy really easily. As for your question, no. 

[M4ntiX]

Tempest fox3, on 03 December 2019 - 02:58 PM, said:

 

it's good at spotting but it also gets spotted by the enemy really easily. As for your question, no. 

 

Ok, cool. 

[jonesofcolorado]

Thanks for the info and tips and suggestions everyone! 

[SirDerp-a-lot]

Kebabsaurus Rex, on 03 December 2019 - 03:34 PM, said:

Assuming you have a good crew (10+ skills, ideally 15 or more) - food, vents, vert stabs, and rammer (increase DPM)

 

If your crew does not have 10+ perks (including sit aware, recon, camo, firefighting etc) then you could consider optics instead of rammer

 

You should avoid a rammer if your crew has Firefighting?

 

Either way, what does Firefighting has to do with view range?

[Pit Friend]

jonesofcolorado, on 02 December 2019 - 06:42 PM, said:

Hola amigos, I have an equipment question. I got the M60 which has spotting at 100% already. I see in the tank modules, it has a view range of up to 420 meters or so. 

 

So if I put binoculars on that increase it 10%... does it increase the view range to 460 or whatever? Or since it's already at 100%, does it not do anything for the tank?

 

If it does nothing, would that be a defect or feature to offer me equipment that doesn't do anything? I would hope that the game wouldn't allow me to select equipment in that scenario, and cost me 10 gold to sell it (if I chose to not lose the silver).

 

Thanks! 

 

Don’t put Binocs on a Medium, especially one that’s armored in old ration cans.