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TROCKS #21 Posted 16 December 2019 - 11:15 PM

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Since when does a PW ratio impact large swings in HP for like vehicles? Lycan has slightly lower PW and 240 more HP than the AMX Chaffee. That’s absurd. Compare tier 9 and 10 light tanks and in every instance the tanks with the highest PW ratios generally have similar HP as their counterparts. Sometimes better. The T-100 LT has a huge PW ratio advantage over the 13 105 and yet has more HP.

The AMX Chaffee has HP equivalent to tier 6 because WG moved it up a tier and didn’t adjust the HP. They decided to make it always have to play up 1 to 3 tiers even though they reworked all the light tanks MM in the game. They just decided to screw everyone that paid for one of the best crew trainers in the game. I still play the tank and it is still playable but it’s not balanced and is at a huge disadvantage against its counterparts.

oXNullWolfyXo #22 Posted 17 December 2019 - 01:23 AM

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View PostN6X507, on 16 December 2019 - 09:20 PM, said:

But the AMX Chaffee has a good weight to power ratio. It gets to top speed rather quickly. Compared to the 13-57 for example.

It has a good power to weight, but meh ground resistance, so it doesn't accelerate as fast when compared to some lights, however it's still decent. The power to weight or ground resistance isn't an issue though, the mobility problem is that it is limited to a top speed of 54, most mediums and even some heavies can out run the AMX Chaffee downhill. The AMX 13 57 is definitely lacking power to weight, but it still has a higher top speed. Plus, the AMX 13 57 gun is awesome, the unload speed & reload rate can often rip other lights apart before they can react. They both have the same potential damage at ~6480, the 57mm only has 1mm of penetration less than the AMX Chaffee & 7mm less on premium penetration, so you're not losing much there. The special thing about the 57mm is that it incapacitates, It kills crew & damages modules very quickly, often leaving the hostile tank vulnerable with dead crew & modules.

 

The 57mm is hitting twice for every once the AMX Chaffee can, so if they get into a fight, the AMX Chaffee hits for 135 damage. It has a 2 second inter-clip reload. The AMX 13 57 is hitting for 90 with a 1 second inter-clip reload. So, the AMX Chaffee is only doing ~135 damage while the AMX 13 57 is doing ~180 damage in the same amount of time with double the chance to injure crew or destroy modules. The result is that the AMX 13 57 has a higher combat capacity than the AMX Chaffee.

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PirateTanker #23 Posted 19 December 2019 - 03:04 PM

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View PostSPUK4U, on 11 December 2019 - 12:08 AM, said:

..... driven only by old men who like to remember old good times.

I resemble this remark! Bring back its glorious old MM after adjustments of course. 



jonesofcolorado #24 Posted 01 January 2020 - 05:47 PM

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I was just going to request a buff to the AMX Chaffee but then saw this. The tank is terrible... I think it should go down a tier or two like the regular Chaffee has, it's now a tier 5. The AMX Chaffee can't do anything, barely does any damage, and dies typically in one shot. Going to post a video I played yesterday in it after I edit it (shorten it)...

jonesofcolorado #25 Posted 01 January 2020 - 06:00 PM

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Here's my game, playing with 7's and 8's. So lame...

 


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jonesofcolorado #26 Posted 03 January 2020 - 09:56 PM

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View PostTROCKS, on 15 December 2019 - 12:09 PM, said:

The problem is that they are not going to buff the speed enough to make up for the HP deficit. It’s just absurd that they reworked the light tanks and moved this tank to tier 7 without an equivalent HP buff. Reworking premium tanks that people paid money for and not keeping them competitive is just wrong. The equivalent tier 7 autoloading light tanks like the Lycan and AMX 13 57 all have 840+hp to make them competitive. This tank should have 800+hp at a minimum. 600 is tier 6 light tank level... which it no longer is so give it the HP buff. The argument that this use the play up four level... blah blah blah is an old argument. This was back when autoloading lights at those tiers didn’t exist. They do now and this tank should be balanced with its peers.

 

Yeah this makes sense.

SpandexRockstar #27 Posted 06 January 2020 - 11:15 AM

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Yup, buff the HP a bit. Having said that, part of me really enjoys the challenge of having only 600 hitpoints in a Tier IX game, and when you win (and survive) in that context this tank is so rewarding.

 

I really like the AMX Chaffee, it's one on my favourites.


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View Postjonesofcolorado, on 01 January 2020 - 10:00 AM, said:

Here's my game, playing with 7's and 8's. So lame...

 

You also are a pretty bad light tank player so what does this video really show your career wr in this tank is 43%.

 



 


SpandexRockstar #29 Posted 06 January 2020 - 02:04 PM

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View Postpingwrx, on 06 January 2020 - 12:18 PM, said:

You also are a pretty bad light tank player so what does this video really show your career wr in this tank is 43%.

 

 

I think he was just showing how the low hp of the Chaffee makes it very vulnerable (also I think he was crew training his 1st skill as no sixth sense went off which is a massive risk in a light).

 

Granted, the AMX Chaffee needs a lot of effort to play well (and even more care with no 6th sense!), but because it's an attractive premium (dual crew trainer and 20% crewXp) I would imagine unfamiliar players may get frustrated by it.



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View PostSpandexRockstar, on 06 January 2020 - 06:04 AM, said:

 

I think he was just showing how the low hp of the Chaffee makes it very vulnerable (also I think he was crew training his 1st skill as no sixth sense went off which is a massive risk in a light).

 

Granted, the AMX Chaffee needs a lot of effort to play well (and even more care with no 6th sense!), but because it's an attractive premium (dual crew trainer and 20% crewXp) I would imagine unfamiliar players may get frustrated by it.

The problem is this tank is hard  to do well in unless you are decent in lights to start with plus without a decent crew it makes it that much harder to over come its shortcomings.



 


pingwrx #31 Posted 06 January 2020 - 03:19 PM

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I played a bunch of lights last year and this was one of them managed to get 2 marks on it currently sitting at 90% I'm going to try for the third mark and see if it's really as hard to play now that it got bumped a tier.


 


SpandexRockstar #32 Posted 06 January 2020 - 03:36 PM

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View Postpingwrx, on 06 January 2020 - 03:09 PM, said:

The problem is this tank is hard  to do well in unless you are decent in lights to start with plus without a decent crew it makes it that much harder to over come its shortcomings.

 

I agree, and it dangles the crew training XP carrot to use inexperienced crews so you're usually on the back foot before you even hit the battlefield. I know, I use this tank to train crews from 75% to 100% mastery that I swap over so I rarely play it with any active crew skills these days, and it really hurts sometimes so I can relate to the odd one shot death every now and then. Probably a little bit unfair to list the player's wr stats in this case considering how difficult this tank is to do well in.

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View PostSpandexRockstar, on 06 January 2020 - 07:36 AM, said:

 

I agree, and it dangles the crew training XP carrot to use inexperienced crews so you're usually on the back foot before you even hit the battlefield. I know, I use this tank to train crews from 75% to 100% mastery that I swap over so I rarely play it with any active crew skills these days, and it really hurts sometimes so I can relate to the odd one shot death every now and then. Probably a little bit unfair to list the player's wr stats in this case considering how difficult this tank is to do well in.

Yea your right I apologize if the poster reads the post it is a rather hard tank to play compared to the other lights in its tier now. 



 


choppermeir #34 Posted 06 January 2020 - 05:42 PM

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Wasn't the whole point of the AMX Chaffee that it was difficult to play and required lots of thinking rather than YOLO?. Basically how lights used to be before the tier X patch
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I3ETEPAH #35 Posted 10 January 2020 - 12:34 AM

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the tank became very weak :arta:

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View Postpingwrx, on 06 January 2020 - 03:19 PM, said:

I played a bunch of lights last year and this was one of them managed to get 2 marks on it currently sitting at 90% I'm going to try for the third mark and see if it's really as hard to play now that it got bumped a tier.

 

Congrats on 90%. How many skill crew were you using? What equipment and supplies do you have equipped? 

 

I was able to 1 mark with a 4 skill crew, moved that crew to a TT tank. Then my stats dropped with a new zero skill, but after training another 4 skills, I was able to recover the 1 MOE.

 

This tank is very crew skill dependent, besides having light experience. 



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View PostBlahCarnivore6, on 12 January 2020 - 12:47 AM, said:

 

Congrats on 90%. How many skill crew were you using? What equipment and supplies do you have equipped? 

 

I was able to 1 mark with a 4 skill crew, moved that crew to a TT tank. Then my stats dropped with a new zero skill, but after training another 4 skills, I was able to recover the 1 MOE.

 

This tank is very crew skill dependent, besides having light experience. 

The crew I was using has 12 killls it's my Batchat 25t crew equipment  binos vstab and vents with large consumables.



 


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I enjoy my Chaffee and have used it to train several crews.  With a 20% crew bonus and a 60% XP bonus, it is great for that purpose.  Yes, the HP is low for the tier it's in, but Hell, the Panzer V/IV has god like HP for it's tier.  To me it's still a workable tank and I enjoy playing it...:)




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