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IPaul72 #1 Posted 12 March 2014 - 03:50 PM

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Hello all

 

To start off this section I thought I would place this in here.... 


As you may or may not know I grew up around Engines and was a driver and also a fitter so I spent a lot of time around tanks and engines in an earlier profession.
Tanks and engines still are my passion  :smile:
So I found this I knocked together a while ago and thought I would share it with you.
If you like it when I have time I shall knock some more together.

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IntentRook0193 #2 Posted 12 March 2014 - 03:52 PM

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intesting so why in world would you need different engine types for one tank????

what is iron cast block for pl 230 HL and cant run at a high temp hmmm

 

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well the main problem of tiger was it's hard to pentrate with sherman tank

sherman just blows up that why it called a tommycooker

 

did they have good air to beathe in tiger tank or was hard to beathe in tiger


Edited by IntentRook0193, 12 March 2014 - 03:58 PM.

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IPaul72 #3 Posted 12 March 2014 - 05:39 PM

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View PostIntentRook0193, on 12 March 2014 - 04:52 PM, said:

intesting so why in world would you need different engine types for one tank????

what is iron cast block for pl 230 HL and cant run at a high temp hmmm

 

Spoiler

 

well the main problem of tiger was it's hard to pentrate with sherman tank

sherman just blows up that why it called a tommycooker

 

did they have good air to beathe in tiger tank or was hard to beathe in tiger

Hello IntentRook0193

 

I tried to figure that one for myself and I couldn't understand why they would make an engine with an aluminium block to run in a confined space. 

Seems they was trying to save weight .. but in a vehicle such as the tiger they questions is why? :veryhappy:

However, seems they almost figured it out in the end the HL 230 P45 seemed to be the successor but was still mass underpowered for a vehicle of that size. 

 

Sherman wise I agree it must have been a living nightmare for the crews, it wasn't until the 17 pounder was fitted (Firefly) variant is was able to cause any worries to the tiger crews really.

 

About internal air ventilation I can't really comment, but I should imagine is wasn't pleasant.

However, I can pretty much guarantee, it would have had a strong smell of petrol and be very warm inside (in summer conditions) pretty much like any vehicle of the period.   

At the end of the day they are all out war machines and didn't have many creature comforts :eyesup:

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BURNER247 #4 Posted 14 March 2014 - 01:32 AM

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Thanks for posting this.

 

I don't know a lot about tanks and i think that its cool that you post these. I hope you do some more.

 

Thanks again.

 



IPaul72 #5 Posted 15 March 2014 - 10:36 AM

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View PostBURNER247, on 14 March 2014 - 02:32 AM, said:

Thanks for posting this.

 

I don't know a lot about tanks and i think that its cool that you post these. I hope you do some more.

 

Thanks again.

 

Hello Burner247

 

Thanks, when I get some time I will try do some more :great: 

 

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WidowMaker1711 #6 Posted 15 March 2014 - 04:09 PM

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Shermans main downfall was its Petrol fuelled engine. Its why it also earned the nicknamewith the Brits "The Ronson Lighter" after the adverts "lights first time, every time"

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VWGUY1994 #7 Posted 15 March 2014 - 04:27 PM

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I am a gear head and this just made my day. Thank you!

 

Also, all german engines seem to run hot.

ask me how i know :smile:


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IPaul72 #8 Posted 15 March 2014 - 06:35 PM

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Block Quote

ask me how i know :smile: 

 

Peoples car by any chance  :teethhappy:

 

I'm a gear head too I figured there were more like me out there at last I'm not alone :amazed:

 

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VWGUY1994 #9 Posted 15 March 2014 - 07:22 PM

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View PostIPaul72, on 15 March 2014 - 02:35 PM, said:

 

Peoples car by any chance  :teethhappy:

 

I'm a gear head too I figured there were more like me out there at last I'm not alone :amazed:

 

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Yup, owned 2 vw's so far. 94 & 2010. Both engines run hot from the factory. Must be a german thing. Id love to get some wrench time in on the HL 230, just to see how different it is from modern engines. The magneto ignition is the oddest thing for me


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IPaul72 #10 Posted 15 March 2014 - 07:32 PM

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Hello again 

I had a VW once too same thing with me engine ran hot to to point of blowing its own reservoir and busting a hose!

The magneto is a strange thing indeed but charging it is even more difficult when hand cranking ... I bet that baby at Bovington has broke a few wrists and arms in its time!

 

But just to hear her at the end of the effort is well worth it :eyesup:

 

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BGUNTER #11 Posted 18 March 2014 - 09:09 PM

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Hello guys fellow car guy here work on our project car but by no means an expert. Nice post. I don't have you tube link up but search running Tiger 2. She sounds real good to me.

IPaul72 #12 Posted 18 March 2014 - 10:02 PM

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View PostBGUNTER, on 18 March 2014 - 10:09 PM, said:

Hello guys fellow car guy here work on our project car but by no means an expert. Nice post. I don't have you tube link up but search running Tiger 2. She sounds real good to me.

Hello there 

Searched for running Tiger 2 and got this:

 

Just gotta love the sound of this beasty :blinky:

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Lamme Tak #13 Posted 19 March 2014 - 08:29 AM

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Everything you want to know about the Tiger;

http://www.alanhamby.com/tiger.html

 

The manual for the tiger page by page; (in German off course)

http://www.alanhamby...igerfibel.shtml

 

The history of almost all Tigers, where the went and end up;

http://www.tiif.de/i...8bf627be7a47d4b


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BGUNTER #14 Posted 19 March 2014 - 01:17 PM

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That's it thanks ipaul

IPaul72 #15 Posted 19 March 2014 - 02:30 PM

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View PostBGUNTER, on 19 March 2014 - 02:17 PM, said:

That's it thanks ipaul

Is it running the original Maybach? 

I heard the gearbox on the Tiger 2 is a pain to work on and not too dissimilar to the Panzerkampfwagen Tiger Ausf.E unit.

I would love to have an afternoon getting my greasy mittens on that baby :smile:

View PostCIC Lamme Tak, on 19 March 2014 - 09:29 AM, said:

Everything you want to know about the Tiger;

http://www.alanhamby.com/tiger.html

 

The manual for the tiger page by page; (in German off course)

http://www.alanhamby...igerfibel.shtml

 

The history of almost all Tigers, where the went and end up;

http://www.tiif.de/i...8bf627be7a47d4b

Thanks for the info I will be sure to have a look at it later when I get a few moments :blinky:

 

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BGUNTER #16 Posted 19 March 2014 - 03:11 PM

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I'm pretty sure it is running the original engine but I could be wrong. I know its suppost to be only running Tiger 2 left right now.

BGUNTER #17 Posted 19 March 2014 - 03:42 PM

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I did some searching on Tiger 2 and I think its engine was either replaced or repaired. They said that King Tiger was left by its crew. They think because either engine or transmission issues. I did find that there are other King Tigers being restored.

IPaul72 #18 Posted 19 March 2014 - 05:59 PM

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View PostBGUNTER, on 19 March 2014 - 04:42 PM, said:

I did some searching on Tiger 2 and I think its engine was either replaced or repaired. They said that King Tiger was left by its crew. They think because either engine or transmission issues. I did find that there are other King Tigers being restored.

It seems it was a failing with them all ... gearbox's where too weak (made for a 30 ton max) tank and the engine was no where near powerful enough, so they had to run them at full tilt which caused them to pop on many occasion :sad:

 

Don't know if its true .. but I heard the slave labour used to make the gearbox's sabotaged them, by knocking lumps out of the splines/dogs, then gluing/fixing them back in place to purposely to cause such problems :veryhappy:

Although if the above is true ... I think more than likely they would have broke anyways, due to the aforementioned :smile:

 

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BGUNTER #19 Posted 19 March 2014 - 06:30 PM

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Hard to tell but that probably was the case some times. If your forcing people to build your machines they will sabotage. Also no offens to Germans but they love to over complicate everything. I learned this on a VW Passat I had. I'm sure that didn't help there reliability when trying to build as fast as possible.

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Germans and complicated..I have an oldtimer Hanomag tractor a R12 kb, two stroke one cylinder 539cc from 1957.

I once scraped all the teeth from the 5th gear so I thought to change that wheel..in the end i bought a second tractor of that type and put the gearbox onto mine.

As the clutch was better on the "new" one I wanted to put that also on mine but it did not fit.

Turns out Hanomag made three different clutches in three years for the same model..

Oh and they made only 996 tractors of this type, it was not a succes, it's nickname is fieldmoped and you have to drive this with earplugs..

Here a nice picture of the maybach motor of a tiger;

http://www.alanhamby...ory_floor06.jpg

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