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T00_Late_Checkm8 #1 Posted 14 February 2020 - 06:18 PM

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I think we can all agree that the Tiger tank is THE most popular tank among tank enthousiasts and the vehicle has created quite a few waves in videogames, movies, etc but having watched close to 10 hours of documentaries and a lot of internet searching i come to the conclusion that the tank was far from perfect. 

I even came across this quote which (if true) is really telling: "every hour of Tiger run-time required 10 hours of maintenance" now im not a specialist in ww2 tank history but that cant be good for your operation.

I even came across some sources saying the tank was a total disaster but never the less the tank performed very good combat-wise when the vehicle allowed it so much so that it instilled fear among many Allied troops and the rest is history.

Being such a menace to Allied tanks it gained legendary status but i like to think the way it looks had a part in it as well (this tank is beautiful imo, it looks heavy and brutal yet somehow sophisticated) 

 

So the question is:

Does this game do justice to the Tiger tank and its legend status?

 

My opinion:

 

No. I think many people play WoT because of this tank, the very reason the E100 is everywere because many went down that tank line mainly for the Tiger.

We also have 8! variants of it in the game being: the 217, Citadel, Heavy no6, Hammer, VT VI-100, Tiger I, Tiger (p) 

So... for a tank this popular i do not think its performance in game does justice to it especially not to the armor, keep in mind the Tiger is the first tier 7 heavy tank for a LOT of people only for them to find out no matter how you angle it you get penned, this always bothered me to great extends.

The way it performs leaves an impression, and i wasnt all that impressed when i first played it 4 years ago and i know im not the only one who expected a little more from a tank with such a history.

But then again, if they made it perform the way people expected it to perform this game might have turned into WoTT (figure that one out) ;)

 

ps: wrapping it up i couldn't help but to think this game also introduced people to Tiger tanks (and tanks overall) that had no prior interest or knowledge in/about them, so there's that.

 

 

 


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JARL VARYAG #2 Posted 14 February 2020 - 06:52 PM

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The in-game Tiger is a great tier VII tank. In the war it was facing a lot of tier V allied tanks so it still performs great against them.

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T00_Late_Checkm8 #3 Posted 14 February 2020 - 07:01 PM

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View PostJARL VARYAG, on 14 February 2020 - 06:52 PM, said:

The in-game Tiger is a great tier VII tank. In the war it was facing a lot of tier V allied tanks so it still performs great against them.

 

nearly all tanks perform good against other tanks two tiers lower thats not the best of arguments but i still get what you're trying to say from a historical standpoint.

My main issue with it is how it performs against equal tier tanks.

It couldve been a little more noob friendly imo.


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It is a great tank. Got my first three gunmarks on it and went to play another 500 matches with it. Knowing its weaknesses (the ammo rack) and play its strengths (supreme top cannon). And dont believe in the armor.


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Try it in warthunder it's much more solid

I think alot of tanks in this game are to squishy



T00_Late_Checkm8 #6 Posted 14 February 2020 - 07:56 PM

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View PostXEboi, on 14 February 2020 - 07:51 PM, said:



Try it in warthunder it's much more solid

I think alot of tanks in this game are to squishy
 

 

i have both the H and E variant in that game with camo's and fully researched modules/crew etcetera. Im quite the Tiger fanboy. For what its worth... i like the Tigers there better but i can only suffer 3 matches or so in that game before coming back here lol.

 


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The in-game Tiger I is far better than it was in reality, and that's not even touching the reliability issues.

 

Yes, the armour is not great. But that's accurate, as many Tiger I's faced off against pre and early war tanks armed with either 40mm guns, 45mm guns or low velocity 76mm guns. We're talking stock tier V tanks in-game, more or less.

Once more powerful weaponry entered the field, the Tiger I didn't do too well.

 

Ours also had absurd mobility, and the 8.8cm L/71 that only a couple were fitted with.

 

Not good enough for you? We also have the Tiger 131 which, for some penetration loss, is a Tiger I but with more everything. 


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View PostXEboi, on 14 February 2020 - 02:51 PM, said:



Try it in warthunder it's much more solid

I think alot of tanks in this game are to squishy
 

Is Warthunder an Arcade game too?  Maybe, more simulation mechanics applied to that game than WoT?  



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I never had the TT Tiger I, but only used the Hammer every so often. Never though it was that great for it could get it's turret blown off fairly regularly.

However, I use the Tiger II all the time anymore, and have little complaints with it. It's my goto VIII replacing my ISU-152, which has been my favorite tank that I have. When I first got it (fully leveled), it never seemed to work all that well for me. I shelved it for quite some time. The past couple months I have tried using it again and it is working quite well. Not sure if they changed anything on it, or I just got better at heavies.



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View PostJoco3000, on 14 February 2020 - 07:57 PM, said:

 

Ours also had absurd mobility

True, i would happily trade some mobility for armor, beginners (like i was) would think it resembles a Tiger instead of a bulky medium.

 

tt Tiger not good enough for you? 

Now it is but it sure wasnt back then, like i said, it couldve been a bit more noob friendly especially since this tank is ppl's first tier 7 heavy. (dare i say 60'ish % ?)

 


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View PostT00_Late_Checkm8, on 14 February 2020 - 07:01 PM, said:

 

nearly all tanks perform good against other tanks two tiers lower thats not the best of arguments but i still get what you're trying to say from a historical standpoint.

My main issue with it is how it performs against equal tier tanks.

It couldve been a little more noob friendly imo.

 

The tech tree tiger an its premium counterpart the Tiger 131 are the best tanks in their tier. Bar none. There are also several tier 6 premium Tigers that are good for their tier. 

 

The T29/Minuteman are more noob friendly sure. But they're not better. 

 

Historically the Armour is correct, the effective Armour isn't much different from a Sherman. Historically it was difficult to kill in early engagements because opposing tanks were armed with American 75mm M3's, British 40mm and 57mm guns or Russian 76mm or 57mm guns. Getting in close enough to penetrate a tigers Armour put you well within the effective range of the Tigers 88.

 

Our tech tree tiger is up gunned and up engined from its real life counterpart and is already overbuffed to hell. It most definitely does not need more buffs.

 

If you want the Armour to work like it's real life counterpart you'd pretty much have to place the tank at tier 5 and make it only face stock Sherman's, T-34s and Churchills.

 

Between DDay and the fall of Berlin, do you know how many times American tankers actually fought a Tiger tank? 3 times.


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View PostCobravert, on 14 February 2020 - 08:07 PM, said:

I never had the TT Tiger I, but only used the Hammer every so often. Never though it was that great for it could get it's turret blown off fairly regularly.

However, I use the Tiger II all the time anymore, and have little complaints with it. It's my goto VIII replacing my ISU-152, which has been my favorite tank that I have. When I first got it (fully leveled), it never seemed to work all that well for me. I shelved it for quite some time. The past couple months I have tried using it again and it is working quite well. Not sure if they changed anything on it, or I just got better at heavies.

 

4.11. This changed a lot of tanks.

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View PostT00_Late_Checkm8, on 14 February 2020 - 08:12 PM, said:

 

 

Beginners just don't know what a Tiger's armour profile was actually like.

 

It had thick armour for the period, 100mm frontally. However, it was flat.

Still, more than enough for any threats in 1942. Thing is, most of the tanks it sees in the same tier post-date it, and were often designed to kill Tigers.

The T29 is a fantastic example, a 1945 design intended to be a counterpart to a Tiger II.

 

It is worth mentioning that, at around the same time period, the Germans were building a light tank with 80/50/50mm armour, armed with a 20mm. Sensibilities were not found in that time period.

 

Oh, and the Tiger (P)? The historical one had the same armour as a Tiger I. Ours just happens to have 200mm because a single example was used as a command tank for some Elefants, and was given the same additional 100mm armour plate as they got. The other nearly 100 production examples did not get this.


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View Postim_balthazur, on 14 February 2020 - 02:14 PM, said:

 

4.11. This changed a lot of tanks.

 

Can you please cite which changes were made in 4.11 to the Tiger?  I found no changes to it in the patch notes. 

 

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As has said before the tiger against those it fought against is leaps and bounds better so to answer your question yes the game does it justice. It’s not a coincidence that tanks introduced to counter the tiger are better.


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View PostRusted Rails, on 14 February 2020 - 01:59 PM, said:

Is Warthunder an Arcade game too?  Maybe, more simulation mechanics applied to that game than WoT?  

 

War Thunder has matchmaking where the Tiger isn't bottom tier all the time as far as I know, it could also be in a lower tier than what we have as 7. 

 

 

Historically the Tiger did very well with it's armor for a couple years against tanks with low velocity guns, the real danger was in break downs and having to be destroyed by crews so they weren't captured. By 1944 the Soviets were fielding 85 mm guns on T-34's and bigger assault guns like 122's and 152's. The western allies had more than enough artillery and air power that was used for tank hunting as well, and fielded plenty of their own destroyers. Tigers were also very difficult to recover and maintain especially far into enemy territory and away from factories. Just like a lot of German equipment it was engineered very well, but suffered from simple issues that other countries focused on instead of making things that were overly complex and expensive. The Tiger did well until the end of the war since it could out range and destroy a lot of tanks, and with the Germans on the defensive for a good amount of time range and ambushing was a very good thing to have which is why the Tiger is so infamous. 

 

In game the Tiger's main strength is range which is accurate as past 1943 and 1944 the armor started to fail as more and more tanks were fielded almost entirely to be Tiger killers. Fighting in game tier 8 and 9 the Tiger can do damage if played well, but it's punished for simple mistakes. If top tier it's a beauty of a tank, but still can't front line. 

 

The numbers speak for themselves too. 

 

T-34's and Shermans built during WW2: 100,000~

Tigers built: 1,300~

 

Every Tiger would have to kill 100 tanks before breaking down which is almost impossible, and that's just the numbers of the main tanks deployed by the two main armor producing countries opposed to Germany. Really looking at it the Sherman is praised by more historians since it served everywhere and could be refitted for just about anything needed at the time. The amount of different main guns put on Shermans at one point or another is awesome. If anything this game does justice for the Sherman with a lot of different versions and the gun selection, there are a few Shermans that are a bit less impressive but the spirit of the tank and the upgrades applied to it over time are very apparent. 


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At one point a lot of us considered the Tiger I in this game to be the best tier 8 medium tank.  It's been crept a little, but it's still got a really good gun. 

 

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View Postim_balthazur, on 14 February 2020 - 03:14 PM, said:

 

4.11. This changed a lot of tanks.

So you're saying it's the tank, and I didn't get better... :(



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Based on my opinions on the Tiger in the contexts of this game and historical records I feel that the vehicle is given its proper dues.

Anecdotally, the Tiger was a machine to be feared when it first arrived on the battlefield.  The vehicles it faced were by-and-large no match at the time.  She became less feared as the allies gained more knowledge and advanced weaponry and tactics over the course of the war.  Part of the reason for the King Tiger was the German reaction to the increasing vulnerability the Tiger was facing(though by no means an exclusive reason).

In game you could argue that this experience is mirrored... top tier battles simulating the Tiger’s arrival on the battlefield.... under-tiered battles signifying her eventual obsolescence(though still scrappy)... and same-tier battles being analogous to the true state of her reputation of being a fierce competitor worthy of a fight.

I’m definitely a fan of the tank and its variants in game.  It’s rewarding to play it well.

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The one german tank that was actually “servicable” as in it was something a german soldier could depend on and use to fight with day in day out is completely overlooked, it was the panzer 4, the hands down best tank german had in appreciable numbers to make any significant difference, also on that list the stugs and the panzer jagers.

 

the tiger 1 (less than 2,000) and  tiger 2 (less than 500) where built in such small numbers that they barely made a dent in the barrage of tanks german was facing.  The panther numbers hit around 5,200 or so but when you factor in how incredibly undependable and unserviceable these vehicles were (so many destroyed by german troops alone).  When you take that into account you really have to wonder how many of them actually served long enough to make a contribution.  

 

YES, the big cats are gorgeous, they have big guns, and large tracks etc.. they look cool as heck.  But they are the most over hyped vehicles of WW2.  None of those three tanks honestly belong in the conversation when talking about the best tanks of WW2.  Here’s my list in order servicability, appreciable numbers, and overall effectiveness as weapons systems;

 

the T-34/85 (hands down best combination of firepower, mobility, armor, etc.),

 

the M4A3E8, considering the sherman design was only 3 years old compared to panzer 4 and T-34 which had been in development going on a decade by middle of WW2, the sherman is an honest to god marvel that being the first real attempt at making a tank, american engineers got that much stuff correct from the very get go and still innovated a bunch of stuff on top of that on the design.  

 

The Panzer 4 is number three on my list, it had the worse mechanical reliability of the three but it also featured the most accurate gun with the best optics.  So even though the turret rotation setup was complete garbage, it was still reliable enough, and a good crew could overcome it’s handicaps with the turret rotation issues.

 

The allies were fortunate that so many resources were diverted to tigers and panthers, had the  focus been on the stugs and panzer 4 production instead, I think the allies would’ve lost a lot more tanks and troops to german tanks.

 

IMHO, the big hyped german tanks were a investment that never paid off for germany.


  

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