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Tornado F4 #1 Posted 24 March 2020 - 08:40 PM

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Something that should be corrected is the way Commanders assigned in most special events are Russian, followed presumably by US. This just adds to the already strong advantage these 2 nations enjoy, as new tt tanks can start out with a 1 skill 99%+ trained crew. For future events Commanders should come from the neglected nations, in proportion to their number of tt tanks, to start rebalancing this. There should be quite a few UK and France Commanders, for example, and a smaller number of Italian and Polish. No more Russian and US until parity is reached.

 

I checked on the French crews that came with the Christmas Toy tanks, and they have no advantages at all.



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Which events came with a crew that already had a skill?


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View PostGallant Prime, on 24 March 2020 - 10:42 PM, said:

Which events came with a crew that already had a skill?

 

It's actually even more generous than that. Look at your unassigned Russian crews. Note all the Commander and Halloween crews with a '+' next to them. You get to choose what skill you want.

 

Now look at UK, French, etc crews. Do you see any there? I don't, because they didn't get them, except perhaps with purchased premiums.



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I'm not complaining, btw. Just pointing out the imbalance. It needs rebalancing over future events.

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View PostGallant Prime, on 24 March 2020 - 03:42 PM, said:

Which events came with a crew that already had a skill?

Bogatyr event - enchanced penetration skill



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View PostMrWiggles24, on 25 March 2020 - 12:52 AM, said:

Bogatyr event - enchanced penetration skill

 

Event? Wasn't that a Chest crew?

 



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View PostGiggyBobcat8372, on 24 March 2020 - 06:28 PM, said:

 

Event? Wasn't that a Chest crew?

 

Event two years ago that gave the kv-220 bogatyr and the crew

 

And a bogatyr event medal if that matters

 



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View PostMrWiggles24, on 25 March 2020 - 01:50 AM, said:

Event two years ago that gave the kv-220 bogatyr and the crew

 

And a bogatyr event medal if that matters

 

 

I didn't hear about that one and I play almost daily. PS4? I'm XB.

 

I have a 1 skill Jim White from a Chest. No tank came with him though. I recall Bogatyr crew was in some Chests too.



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View PostGiggyBobcat8372, on 24 March 2020 - 07:38 PM, said:

 

I didn't hear about that one and I play almost daily. PS4? I'm XB.

 

I have a 1 skill Jim White from a Chest. No tank came with him though. I recall Bogatyr crew was in some Chests too.

Xbox 1 . I have no idea about the chests. But I did complete the op, got the tank, and the crew has been in my IS-7 ever since.

 

Yeah it's was around the same time as Jim White came with the reskinned British Sherman and simon linnot came with snakebite. They all came in a package back then. Before chests were ever introduced



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View PostTornado F4, on 24 March 2020 - 06:27 PM, said:

 

It's actually even more generous than that. Look at your unassigned Russian crews. Note all the Commander and Halloween crews with a '+' next to them. You get to choose what skill you want.

 

Now look at UK, French, etc crews. Do you see any there? I don't, because they didn't get them, except perhaps with purchased premiums.

Hello, I'm not really sure what you're talking about.

 

The + doesn't mean they have a skill, it only means the crew is 100% trained and you can now start training a skill. All crews for events come 100% trained. It sounds like you're just looking at your own personal crews that you haven't trained to 100% yet?



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View PostMaxChaos24, on 25 March 2020 - 12:00 PM, said:

Hello, I'm not really sure what you're talking about.

 

The + doesn't mean they have a skill, it only means the crew is 100% trained and you can now start training a skill. All crews for events come 100% trained. It sounds like you're just looking at your own personal crews that you haven't trained to 100% yet?

 

Think the OP is referring to the crews we get every time various special events become active, Xmas events with the Toy Tanks, we always get French crews, Lunar mode, American and Commander mode we always get Russian.

Crews come at 100% trained as they would when you purchase a Premium tank, but not with a skill pretrained.

 

Think he's just asking when you have one of the special events active, instead of just receiving a crew for the above nations, we receive more random crews from some of the other nations in the game, (Chinese,  Polish,  Italian,  Czech, etc...)


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Tornado F4 #12 Posted 25 March 2020 - 03:05 PM

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View PostPLK180W, on 25 March 2020 - 01:37 PM, said:

 

Think the OP is referring to the crews we get every time various special events become active, Xmas events with the Toy Tanks, we always get French crews, Lunar mode, American and Commander mode we always get Russian.

Crews come at 100% trained as they would when you purchase a Premium tank, but not with a skill pretrained.

 

Think he's just asking when you have one of the special events active, instead of just receiving a crew for the above nations, we receive more random crews from some of the other nations in the game, (Chinese,  Polish,  Italian,  Czech, etc...)

 

Yes, thank you, that is what I was saying.

 

I should have looked into it more deeply before posting, as you guys are correct, the '+' isn't actually a skill, but 100% trained, which brings you far closer to a skill than the basic 50% trained crew I used to put in my tanks. (I usually go with 75% these days). My post was initially a spur of the moment reply in another thread that hadn't received a response and that I feel warrants consideration.

 

When I look at my Russian 'bench' I see numerous 100% trained Commanders and Spectres awaiting assignment, ready to give their new Russian tanks an immediate boost. Smaller countries have no such equivalents, other than the handful gained through War Stories. The French Toy Tank crews (I have 7) are 50% trained, and therefore aren't worth using at all. Same for my HMS TOG crew, my only UK special event crew (from ages ago). My US bench has a couple of 100% Lycan crews from Halloween, that's it. Meanwhile my soccer team of Russian all-stars (I see at least 12) look over at their puny Western opponents and sneer, lol. And then there are the 100% crews that came with premium tanks, including the recent T-34S, Obj 279 e, Ironclad, and Morozco rewards and gifts... These guys are multiplying almost as fast as the Covid virus.

 

I do like having these crews available, but please, please, give the other countries a chance. Even the US team is being left well behind. Let's have UK crews for the April/Easter events, can we? Not yet more Russians. Too many of them already.



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View PostTornado F4, on 24 March 2020 - 05:27 PM, said:

 

It's actually even more generous than that. Look at your unassigned Russian crews. Note all the Commander and Halloween crews with a '+' next to them. You get to choose what skill you want.

 

Now look at UK, French, etc crews. Do you see any there? I don't, because they didn't get them, except perhaps with purchased premiums.

 

Those no skill guys get deleted fast.  I had enough crews before the crew chests began, and now I have a small army kicking back in the barracks.  If you need US, Brit, German, Polish, or Swedes the chests seem to be good for those.  French, Russian, Czech not so much.  Chinese and Japanese seem to be just right.    



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View PostGallant Prime, on 25 March 2020 - 11:28 PM, said:

 

Those no skill guys get deleted fast.  I had enough crews before the crew chests began, and now I have a small army kicking back in the barracks.  If you need US, Brit, German, Polish, or Swedes the chests seem to be good for those.  French, Russian, Czech not so much.  Chinese and Japanese seem to be just right.    

 

Only keep a couple of my 100% crews for America,  Britain,  Germany or Russia nowadays in the barracks, those nations are pretty well crewed up now. The chests are useful, but still tend to end up with more crews for those nations than the others which I do need.
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Tornado F4 #15 Posted 29 March 2020 - 07:40 PM

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I hope the upcoming Dalek, err 'turret', crews will be UK ones. After all, Doctor Who is a British TV show, and those turrets are like Daleks.



Tornado F4 #16 Posted 23 April 2020 - 10:32 PM

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Here we go again. Of the 4 tanks on offer with the new op, 2 are Russian. Note that they are the first 2, that most players will get.

 

Then of course the STG was Russian too.

 

It's beyond a Russian bias. IT'S A RUSSIAN MONOPOLY!!!



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Don‘t you think that for a Russian monopoly they had nerfed the Russian tanks pretty hard so far?

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View Postwake_the_move, on 23 April 2020 - 10:49 PM, said:

Don‘t you think that for a Russian monopoly they had nerfed the Russian tanks pretty hard so far?

 

I agree with Tornado's point. There are far too many Russian premiums awarded. 8 of the last 11 or 12 (Christmas to this op) unless I'm mistaken.

 

I'm not familiar with whatever nerfs you're on about. I'm sure not only Russian tanks are nerfed. And many of my best performing tanks are Russian. Even TT ones. So I see no nerf there.



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View PostGiggyBobcat8372, on 25 April 2020 - 01:33 AM, said:

 

I agree with Tornado's point. There are far too many Russian premiums awarded. 8 of the last 11 or 12 (Christmas to this op) unless I'm mistaken.

 

I'm not familiar with whatever nerfs you're on about. I'm sure not only Russian tanks are nerfed. And many of my best performing tanks are Russian. Even TT ones. So I see no nerf there.

 

A simple comparison between PC tankopedia (f.e. wiki.wargaming.net) and console tankopedia would clarify this. The best example would be the Obj. 705A. It received very harsh nerfs to it‘s mobility by reducing it‘s Engine Power by 200 hp, worsening it‘s ground resistances, lowering it‘s top speed which is harder to reach now anyway, and to top it all of a combined reduction in hull and turret traverse speed of 10 degrees. This tank has become extremely clunky and stiff. Or the Object 907. It DPM got reduced by 600+.
 

The new T95E6 only got his dpm decreased by 200. It‘s currently sitting at ~2800DPM, whereas the Obj. 907 is even below 2300. The M60 even made it to console unnerfed. Afaik it was even buffed. If there is any bias in WGCB it‘s clearly in favor of American and British tanks currently. Hell, they even refused to give the VK 72.01 (k) the 350 mm HEAT pen it has on PC. It‘s only 334 on console, while the M60 could keep his. Odd, isn‘t it.

 

The reason why so many premium tanks are Russian may be that this game originated from Belarus, which therefore have a strong emphasis on Soviet tanks. But it‘s not like there were no alternatives. In fact most of the recent premium tanks released regularly like the Barracuda, the Draugen, the Lansen C, the Type 59-2...

if that‘s still not enough compare the T92 Falcon PC to console. Then do the same with the LT-432. Who lost more during the transition?


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This thread is about the imbalance of trained Russian crews and reward/gift tanks vs all other nations, NOT about buffs/nerfs/PC vs console,etc. There are plenty of other threads where you can debate those matters with others who may actually care. Please take it there. Don't derail this thread.

 

I believe I had a valid point at the start, and recent developments if anything only reinforce it. As Giggy said, 2 of the current 4, plus the recent STG, are Russian. That's 3/5. 60%. Or 8/11 or 12, which is an even greater %age. The imbalance there is blatantly obvious and needs to be corrected, not increased.







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