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FBPrime-x #21 Posted 26 March 2020 - 09:10 PM

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View PostTempest fox3, on 26 March 2020 - 03:57 PM, said:

 

Tiger II on console is pretty strong. 

 

No one here is saying that it needs or does not need a buff on console.  Its just a post regarding potential upcoming changes on PC.

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Would love the E5 reload to be reduced by a second. Can't even begin tell you how many shots I'm a split second too late for and I definitely can't afford to run food. Even a half second IMO would be lovely.

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View PostGroomingChief65, on 26 March 2020 - 10:50 PM, said:

Would love the E5 reload to be reduced by a second. Can't even begin tell you how many shots I'm a split second too late for and I definitely can't afford to run food. Even a half second IMO would be lovely.

 

This. Same thing with Strv 103-B... 

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Best way to buff E5 would be like Blitz did .

Just cut the tumor off the top .

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View PostTempest fox3, on 26 March 2020 - 03:57 PM, said:

 

Tiger II on console is pretty strong. 

 

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View PostFutarrari, on 26 March 2020 - 10:18 PM, said:

Best way to buff E5 would be like Blitz did .

Just cut the tumor off the top .

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Or not. The cupola isn't easy to hit/pen anyway (it's troll as hell and still needs 250 penetration to reliably do damage) and we don't need to be removing weakspots. 


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Why the smug are they looking to buff the E75 and both Tigers? :amazed:

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View PostVampire_Izumi, on 26 March 2020 - 07:22 PM, said:

:D imagine a E-75 going 50kph though...

 

Easy.

 

Drive it off a cliff!:trollface:


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View PostTempest fox3, on 26 March 2020 - 05:32 PM, said:

 

Or not. The cupola isn't easy to hit/pen anyway (it's troll as hell and still needs 250 penetration to reliably do damage) and we don't need to be removing weakspots. 

 

I partially agree , I think the bigger problem is WG has little to no consistency when it comes to balancing . 

 



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View PostTempest fox3, on 26 March 2020 - 05:32 PM, said:

 

Or not. The cupola isn't easy to hit/pen anyway (it's troll as hell and still needs 250 penetration to reliably do damage) and we don't need to be removing weakspots. 

 

I trust Tempest's judgement, knows more about the game than I ever will, it is still troll enough but it's probably 30% pen for me not like Super Conq cupola which is about 10%. Again though shaving a half second off that reload feels right to me. Admittedly I'm slightly biased because I live in my E5.  

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View PostPit Friend, on 26 March 2020 - 11:58 PM, said:

Why the smug are they looking to buff the E75 and both Tigers? :amazed:

 

On PC, those tanks (especially Tiger II) aren't as good as on console.

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View PostFutarrari, on 26 March 2020 - 11:22 PM, said:

 

I partially agree , I think the bigger problem is WG has little to no consistency when it comes to balancing . 

 

 

I'll agree with you there. For every vehicle that gets nerfed into oblivion (whether the nerf is deserved or not) there are several tanks that have been overlooked for years and others that ended up getting undeserved buffs. 


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View PostTempest fox3, on 26 March 2020 - 02:55 PM, said:

Hope we don't get these changes. E75 is already overpowered. IS4 doesn't need every frontal weakspot removed (buff the gun / mobility) nor does the E100.

M103 buffs are valid but risk making it as broken as the conqueror.

The Tiger 1 sure as [edited]doesn't need any buffs in console. Nor does the E5.

 

We don't need to go the way of making tanks impossible to penetrate frontally without prammo. We already have a handful of tanks like that. We don't need more. 

 

Both the IS-4 & E hundo need these changes, they have been power creeped by all of the new releases; the Super Conq comes first to mind....... 

 

"We don't need to go the way of making tanks impossible to penetrate frontally without prammo. We already have a handful of tanks like that. We don't need more."

And that is the problem that led to these changes.......I cant wait for these changes to take place on console......


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View PostCoelacanth 1, on 27 March 2020 - 04:07 AM, said:

 

Both the IS-4 & E hundo need these changes, they have been power creeped by all of the new releases; the Super Conq comes first to mind....... 

 

"We don't need to go the way of making tanks impossible to penetrate frontally without prammo. We already have a handful of tanks like that. We don't need more."

And that is the problem that led to these changes.......

 

The answer to that problem is not to go around removing the weakspots from tanks that can be penetrated with standard ammo. All you do then is convince people to use more premium ammo.

 

The Buffed E100 turret that they're presenting here can still be penetrated by the 330pen HEAT found on most tier 10s. Same for any TD premium ammo. Just like it does now. But they're also buffing the top bar to the level that it's can't be penetrated with standard ammo from most tier 10s anymore. So what will people do? Say F it, why aim for the bar and risk bouncing when you can shoot it in the face with prammo.

 

The IS4 overmatch turret spot is fine. It can't be penned by anything smaller than a 122 and it can only be penned if you're slightly above the target. So they're going to remove it entirely, while also buffing the upper plate (which is weaker than the lower plate on the console version) 

 

Which will just make it annoying to deal with frontally, unless you load prammo then you can just shoot it in the face without caring. 

 

The S. Conq needs a nerf. Don't try to use it as justification for over buffing other tanks to the same broken level.

 

All tanks should have frontal weakspots that can be penetrated by the vast majority of the vehicles in their tier With standard ammo. Make these weakspots able to be mitigated or hidden by using terrain to your advantage or by simply 'wiggling' making them harder to hit like the E5 cupola. Don't flat out remove them.

 

The E100 is fine as it is anyway, just angle the turret when you aren't firing and wait for an opportunity to fire while enemies are reloading. Don't just storm out and expect to be immune to incoming fire. 


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View PostTempest fox3, on 26 March 2020 - 11:17 PM, said:

 

The answer to that problem is not to go around removing the weakspots from tanks that can be penetrated with standard ammo. All you do then is convince people to use more premium ammo.

 

The Buffed E100 turret that they're presenting here can still be penetrated by the 330pen HEAT found on most tier 10s. Same for any TD premium ammo. Just like it does now. But they're also buffing the top bar to the level that it's can't be penetrated with standard ammo from most tier 10s anymore. So what will people do? Say F it, why aim for the bar and risk bouncing when you can shoot it in the face with prammo.

 

The IS4 overmatch turret spot is fine. It can't be penned by anything smaller than a 122 and it can only be penned if you're slightly above the target. So they're going to remove it entirely, while also buffing the upper plate (which is weaker than the lower plate on the console version) 

 

Which will just make it annoying to deal with frontally, unless you load prammo then you can just shoot it in the face without caring. 

 

The S. Conq needs a nerf. Don't try to use it as justification for over buffing other tanks to the same broken level.

 

All tanks should have frontal weakspots that can be penetrated by the vast majority of the vehicles in their tier With standard ammo. Make these weakspots able to be mitigated or hidden by using terrain to your advantage or by simply 'wiggling' making them harder to hit like the E5 cupola. Don't flat out remove them.

 

The E100 is fine as it is anyway, just angle the turret when you aren't firing and wait for an opportunity to fire while enemies are reloading. Don't just storm out and expect to be immune to incoming fire. 

Other than get S. Conqueror needing a nerf I agree with everything here.


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View PostTempest fox3, on 27 March 2020 - 04:17 AM, said:

 

The answer to that problem is not to go around removing the weakspots from tanks that can be penetrated with standard ammo. All you do then is convince people to use more premium ammo.

 

The Buffed E100 turret that they're presenting here can still be penetrated by the 330pen HEAT found on most tier 10s. Same for any TD premium ammo. Just like it does now. But they're also buffing the top bar to the level that it's can't be penetrated with standard ammo from most tier 10s anymore. So what will people do? Say F it, why aim for the bar and risk bouncing when you can shoot it in the face with prammo.

 

The IS4 overmatch turret spot is fine. It can't be penned by anything smaller than a 122 and it can only be penned if you're slightly above the target. So they're going to remove it entirely, while also buffing the upper plate (which is weaker than the lower plate on the console version) 

 

Which will just make it annoying to deal with frontally, unless you load prammo then you can just shoot it in the face without caring. 

 

The S. Conq needs a nerf. Don't try to use it as justification for over buffing other tanks to the same broken level.

 

All tanks should have frontal weakspots that can be penetrated by the vast majority of the vehicles in their tier With standard ammo. Make these weakspots able to be mitigated or hidden by using terrain to your advantage or by simply 'wiggling' making them harder to hit like the E5 cupola. Don't flat out remove them.

 

The E100 is fine as it is anyway, just angle the turret when you aren't firing and wait for an opportunity to fire while enemies are reloading. Don't just storm out and expect to be immune to incoming fire. 

 

The weakspot you're thinking of is the lower plate. If a tank is hulldown and cannot be penned because of no weakspots then just flank it with numbers, not hard to do. That's when the real battle starts. Lines of engagement and keeping a eye on all the targets around you before making a move. PC also has nerfed premium ammo. It does less damage than standard ammo.

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View PostTempest fox3, on 27 March 2020 - 04:17 AM, said:

 

The answer to that problem is not to go around removing the weakspots from tanks that can be penetrated with standard ammo. All you do then is convince people to use more premium ammo.

 

The Buffed E100 turret that they're presenting here can still be penetrated by the 330pen HEAT found on most tier 10s. Same for any TD premium ammo. Just like it does now. But they're also buffing the top bar to the level that it's can't be penetrated with standard ammo from most tier 10s anymore. So what will people do? Say F it, why aim for the bar and risk bouncing when you can shoot it in the face with prammo.

 

The IS4 overmatch turret spot is fine. It can't be penned by anything smaller than a 122 and it can only be penned if you're slightly above the target. So they're going to remove it entirely, while also buffing the upper plate (which is weaker than the lower plate on the console version) 

 

Which will just make it annoying to deal with frontally, unless you load prammo then you can just shoot it in the face without caring. 

 

The S. Conq needs a nerf. Don't try to use it as justification for over buffing other tanks to the same broken level.

 

All tanks should have frontal weakspots that can be penetrated by the vast majority of the vehicles in their tier With standard ammo. Make these weakspots able to be mitigated or hidden by using terrain to your advantage or by simply 'wiggling' making them harder to hit like the E5 cupola. Don't flat out remove them.

 

The E100 is fine as it is anyway, just angle the turret when you aren't firing and wait for an opportunity to fire while enemies are reloading. Don't just storm out and expect to be immune to incoming fire. 

"all tanks should have a frontal weakspot" have you ever seen its lower plate, its massive and you cant angle it that much because it leaves a vulnerable spot on your hull where your tracks dont cover. angling the turret doesnt do an effective job at protecting your lower turret flat plate or your police bar.

e100 angle at 45 degrees (anything more you want to be shooting for side of turret) against 330 heat

 



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View PostFBPrime, on 26 March 2020 - 12:18 PM, said:

 

We have a 1200 horse power engine while they have 900.  

 

That hasn't stopped them before. The E-75 can always be even more steps ahead of literally every tier ten super heavy.

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View Postscwirpeo, on 27 March 2020 - 06:42 PM, said:

 

That hasn't stopped them before. The E-75 can always be even more steps ahead of literally every tier ten super heavy.

 

true, the E-75 was a great tank that had great armor and firepower. then they buffed it with Medium tank mobility :D the E-75 is literally the best Jack of All Trades.

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View PostVampire_Izumi, on 27 March 2020 - 03:38 AM, said:

 

true, the E-75 was a great tank that had great armor and firepower. then they buffed it with Medium tank mobility :D the E-75 is literally the best Jack of All Trades.

 

It's only downside is sub 330 pen premium ammo.

 

 

Clearly it needs more buffs to compete.


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