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RaiBOT01-x #1 Posted 17 April 2020 - 02:15 PM

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Hey everyone!

 

My name is Jeff Gregg, and I am the Lead Designer on World of Tanks Mercenaries. Welcome to "Lets talk about tanks! Waffenträger auf E 100 edition".

 

The goal is to highlight specific tanks, one at a time, and really dig down into what makes them tick, how they are being used, and how approaches may be taken to improve them if necessary.

 

As you read you will see a lot of charts and data. All of this data compares the tank to every other tank of its tier over a sixty-day period. All data is pulled from Random Battles only.

 

This article focused on the Waffenträger auf E 100. Let us begin!.

All data is taken from Random Battle over a fixed 60 day period. Both the Xbox Live and PSN environments were used.

 

BATTLES AND POPULARITY

The Waffenträger auf E 100

A Tier X German Tank Destroyer, the Waffenträger auf E 100 enters battle with one of two guns. The stock 12,8 cm Kanone L/61 or the upgrade package's 15 cm Pak L/38.

 

The vehicle is fairly popular and resides in the upper range of battles per day when compared to all other tier X vehicles:

 

When we look at the packages, we can see that the stock package with the 12,8 cm Kanone L/61 gun is used much more frequently than the upgraded package.

 

So how is this tank doing with these players? Is it dominating? Is it suffering? According to the data, it is performing at a very solid 50% win / loss rate:

 

Lets look into the win-rate based on package. No wonder people want the stock gun, it seems to be ~ 4% more likely to win:

 

Let us take a deeper look into win-rate. An average of win/loss doesn't tell us as much as some may think. As always, we should do is evaluate WHO is using this tank when it comes to skill.

 

Below we see a grey curve (representing the skill of ALL players) and a blue curve (representing the skill of the players using this tank). The higher the curve, the more players at that skill level are using the tank. We can see that most players are right in the middle / are usually successful at ~ 50% win/loss. The lower the skill and the higher the skill, the fewer the players.

 

Now we might ask: "there are players with a 100% win rate?!" or "there are players with 0% win rate?!" Those are likely players that played once in this tank and won or lost and then stopped. Super low occurrence outliers.

 

This tank seems to be slightly more attractive to lower skill players than higher skill ones. That doesn't mean that using this tank indicates the player is at a lower skill, but it does seem to attract players that are slightly less skilled than on average:


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RaiBOT01-x #2 Posted 17 April 2020 - 02:41 PM

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Let's look at the tank's win/loss compared to skill. In the below picture we SHOULD see two lines, one that represents the entire population's win/loss and another that represents this tank's win/loss. We can't see two lines, because they are almost perfectly aligned. Meaning if a tanker (in general) wins 55% of the time, he or she will win 55% of the time in this tank. The tank itself is neither hurting the tanker's performance nor is it giving he or she an edge beyond their skill. So while lower-skilled players may be attracted to this tank, it isn't bumping their win/loss above their normal performance:

 

Weapons

Lets keep looking.  The stock weapon's attractiveness is interesting. Lets dig into that a bit more. Here are some stats for both weapons:

 

Stat

12,8 cm Kanone L/61

15 cm Pak L/38

Penetration

279

246

Damage

560

750

Accuracy

0.29

0.34

Aim Time

1.5

1.9

DPM

2,878

3,052

Clip Rate

30

20

Clip Size

6

4

Reload

60

50

Burst Damage

3,360

3,000


The more attractive weapon (the default 12,8) has higher pen, lower damage and DPM, and higher burst damage.

 

Lets take a look at some more shot analysis:

Accuracy is very good when the tank is looked at as a whole.

 

Accuracy per gun: we can see the stock weapon is more accurate.

 

Number of shots that pen their target is pretty low, near the bottom of the tier X vehicles:

 

We can see again that its the stock gun that is performing ok. The 2nd package's gun is dragging the pen down.


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RaiBOT01-x #3 Posted 20 April 2020 - 05:32 PM

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Damage per shot that hits (super high numbers in the graph below are the tier X SPGs):

 

Per shot hit per gun. As expected, the stock gun is lower (but also seems to be much more consistent):

 

Damage per shot that hits AND penetrates (super high numbers in the graph below are the tier X SPGs):

 

Per penetrating shot per gun (again, upgrade package's gun hits harder if it pens, stock gun is lower but more consistent):

 

Damage per battle (cumulative damage for all attacks in a battle):

 

Damage per battle per package (2nd package lagging behind the stock package and its gun):

 

Based on the above it looks like we can start to consider the following:

  1. When we look at this tank as a whole, it seems fine.
  2. However, when we look at the specifics of the packages, the 2nd gun is under-performing.

 

SURVIVAL, ETC

Let's keep looking.  How often does this tank survive a match? Turns out the survival is a bit on the lower end of the tier X tanks.

 

If you are using the upgraded package your chances of survival drop by almost 6%

 

How long does the tank live for in a match? Near the bottom of the tier X lifetime


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RaiBOT01-x #4 Posted 20 April 2020 - 05:32 PM

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Lifetime by package is interesting. There is so much variance that its hard to draw any conclusions. See below:

 

How far does this tank move? Not much (which makes sense for a TD at the higher tiers). Only SPGs move less:

 

The package used doesn't cause much of a distance re: travel

 

How much damage does it usually block? Not much at all:

 

Blocked damage per package:

 

CONCLUSIONS

So what's the summary?  We have analyzed numerical data on this tank.  We see that players of all skill levels use this tank, but lower skill players are a bit more likely to drive this into battle.  We see that the 2nd package with the 2nd gun is used very little and causes the tank to suffer.

 

Action Items

Based on this we plan on doing the following :

  • For the 12,8 cm Kanone L/61
    • Reduce clip size from 6 to 4
    • Decrease the reload from 60 to 48
    • This will change the DPM from ~ 2,878 to ~ 2,488
    • This will change the Burst Damage from ~ 3,360 to ~ 2,240
  • For the 15 cm Pak L/38
    • Increase the clip rate from 20 to 30
    • Decrease the clip size from 4 to 3
    • Decrease the reload from 50 to 40
    • This will change the DPM from ~ 3,052 to ~ 3,068 (marginal increase)
    • This will change the Burst Damage from ~ 3,000 to ~ 2,250

 

By adjusting the clip size, rate, and reload we make changes that don't impact the ammo stats (and thus the change doesn't impact the Waffentrager IV).

The better clip rate (3s ->2s)  on the 15cm should allow it to fire more often with less exposure, potentially improving the vehicle's performance. 

Reducing the reload time should also help (especially with survival as the tanker can try to be vulnerable less often). 

Dropping the clip count reduces the burst damage for both guns, which is usually where this tank feels bad to play against (as it can pack a quick whallop).

 

The above changes will take place on April 21st.  In order to measure the impact of these changes once they are committed, we need at least 5,000 battles in the tank(s) to have enough data. Once we have that amount of info, we will report back here on what the results were and (if necessary) what the next steps will be.

 

Details on Action Items

Here is some more info on why the above was chosen:

We took a look at other tanks and how their guns are set up. Specifically, the AMX 50 Foch (155), which has similar gun choices but doesn't seem to have issues. 

AMX 50 Foch (155) data for some comparison. It has a 3-round and 6-round autoloader gun. 

  • Package 0 = 3-round
  • Package 1 = 6 round

Gun Stats

  3-round 6-round
Penetration 293 257
Damage 770 400
Accuracy 0.36 0.34
Aim Time 3 2.3
DPM 2,310 3,000
  • 3-round: High Pen, worse accuracy, worse aim time, low DPM
  • 6-round: Low Pen, better accuracy, better aim time, High DPM

This magic sauce seems to keep both guns fairly in-line with either other, making both valid options for players to use. 

Battles by package - Pretty close

 

Win Rate - Pretty close

 

Damage: Pretty close

 

Accuracy: Pretty Close

 

Penetration: Different, but that is ok / is the point.

 

If you have feedback about this process or have further questions, feel free to discuss here in this forum post!! Stay tuned here for results of the test and for what the next tank we focus on is.

 

See you on the battlefield!

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This is awesome information, and I love the fact that all of this data is being provided to justify the changes to the Waffle instead of simply saying the Waffle is being changed without any further explanation. I realize it will take much more effort, but I hope this is the new standard for how buffs/nerfs are presented in the future. :great:

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 For the 15 cm Pak L/38

  • Increase the clip rate from 20 to 30
  • Decrease the clip size from 4 to 3
  • Decrease the reload from 50 to 40
  • This will change the DPM from ~ 3,052 to ~ 3,068 (marginal increase)
  • This will change the Burst Damage from ~ 3,000 to ~ 2,250

I do have one question, though. What does "increasing the clip rate from 20 to 30" mean exactly? 

 


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View PostFusionStar287, on 20 April 2020 - 02:38 PM, said:

I do have one question, though. What does "increasing the clip rate from 20 to 30" mean exactly? 

 

 

It's written below it in more laymen's terms. Clip rate is what determines the intra-clip reload time so it goes from 3s ->2s

 

"The better clip rate (3s ->2s)  on the 15cm should allow it to fire more often with less exposure, potentially improving the vehicle's performance. "



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View PostMaxChaos24, on 20 April 2020 - 08:41 PM, said:

 

It's written below it in more laymen's terms. Clip rate is what determines the intra-clip reload time so it goes from 3s ->2s

 

"The better clip rate (3s ->2s)  on the 15cm should allow it to fire more often with less exposure, potentially improving the vehicle's performance. "

 

I think what confused (con)Fusionstar is that it first says 20-30, not 2s-3s.

It confused me as well. lol



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View PostMaxChaos24, on 20 April 2020 - 01:41 PM, said:

 

It's written below it in more laymen's terms. Clip rate is what determines the intra-clip reload time so it goes from 3s ->2s

 

"The better clip rate (3s ->2s)  on the 15cm should allow it to fire more often with less exposure, potentially improving the vehicle's performance. "

My bad, I missed the explanation below it. Thank you.


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View PostRubbelito, on 20 April 2020 - 02:43 PM, said:

 

I think what confused (con)Fusionstar is that it first says 20-30, not 2s-3s.

It confused me as well. lol

 

20 -> 30 is the value for the formula. (60/Clip Rate) = Intra-clip reload

60/20 = 3 seconds

60/30 = 2 seconds



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E4/FV215B(183) are fine? i hope you are going to nerf the HESH penetration and E3/E4s alpha damage.

Many other tanks need help.



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View PostMaxChaos24, on 20 April 2020 - 08:46 PM, said:

 

20 -> 30 is the value for the formula. (60/Clip Rate) = Intra-clip reload

60/20 = 3 seconds

60/30 = 2 seconds

 

Sure, but please stay with the same entities all over. There's enough stats to keep in the head as it is. lol

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The waffle is soo not the issue. Only to the fools who charge it! I hope the balancing is comprehensive on all tiers and line types.

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View PostSzympus1194, on 20 April 2020 - 07:47 PM, said:

E4/FV215B(183) are fine? i hope you are going to nerf the HESH penetration and E3/E4s alpha damage.

Many other tanks need help.

 

I agree with that they should nerf T110E4 alpha damage, but there's no need for T110E3 alpha damage nerf. T110E4 has already an huge advantage and this advantage is that T110E4 can rotate its turret while T110E3 cant.

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View Postl Breslau l, on 20 April 2020 - 06:52 PM, said:

 

I agree with that they should nerf T110E4 alpha damage, but they should definitely not nerf T110E3 alpha damage. T110E4 has already an huge advantage and this advantage is that T110E4 can rotate its turret while T110E3 cant.

 

Yes i kinda agree with that

E4 has that turret advantage so E3 can stay with the alpha but imo E4s alpha should be nerfed with that reload.


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ok. So the waffle is no longer playable with the 12.8cm.

Basically this tank is now going to join the realms of the Foch 155. Thank god the waffle era is over.


 


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Hello,

Never liked the heavy punch package. Penetration is better than concussion. I welcome the clip capacity change. Now to the hesh barn ? Could make RB 10 less TD oriented.

 

Now let's observe the amx 30b changes. Can we expect a buff, Real life amx 30s combat proved to be Monsters.

 


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View PostSzympus1194, on 20 April 2020 - 07:55 PM, said:

 

Yes i kinda agree with that

E4 has that turret advantage so it can stay with the alpha but imo E4s alpha should be nerfed with that reload.

 

They don't need to nerf it much. They just need to change premium rounds from APCR to HEAT. And I think 650-750 alpha would be good with that reload 

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This is an excellent change that makes me want to get a Waffle. Lowers the rage factor of being one clipped by a waffle but still makes it a viable tank. Interesting note is that it almost has to brawl since the accurate gun got trashed. Or just spam HE

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