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hexine #1 Posted 10 May 2020 - 07:25 AM

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they ruin every game they are in. they are too fast and hard to hit. i don't want to hear any flexing on skill either nobody an reliably hit those. Its obvious from the way the drivers take them anywhere with impunity that they know nobody can hit them

 

and even if you do get a lucky shot they have way too much health for their size. you want to keep it that small and fast? fine it should have 200 to 300 hp max



scwirpeo #2 Posted 10 May 2020 - 07:32 AM

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You can always just shoot them.

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f1mitku #3 Posted 10 May 2020 - 07:35 AM

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It depends on the other team lights. Yesterday I was in a battle in my T-50-2 and a red Vanguard was thinking it’s not a problem to just make a rush between the greens. A big mistake - few shots and one 80kph ram and it was dead in few seconds before knowing what was happening. I lost like 40 HP from the ramming. :trollface:

 

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View Posthexine, on 10 May 2020 - 03:25 AM, said:

they ruin every game they are in. they are too fast and hard to hit. i don't want to hear any flexing on skill either nobody an reliably hit those. Its obvious from the way the drivers take them anywhere with impunity that they know nobody can hit them

 

and even if you do get a lucky shot they have way too much health for their size. you want to keep it that small and fast? fine it should have 200 to 300 hp max


Yes they are harder to hit, but it’s not impossible. It’s actually quite easy. All lights should really have more health to deal with the idiots that get a hard on for them every game and yolo.



Dyslexsticks #5 Posted 10 May 2020 - 07:54 AM

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The waifus guide us into the light. Once I finish school I will certainly be funding research to develop catgirls! uWu

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Geordie P #6 Posted 10 May 2020 - 08:06 AM

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Out of all the light vehicles in the world past and present they bring something like these into the *already over flowing with mario-carts* game.

Bring out your face paint, 3ft long saddle shoes, red clip on noses and a honk honk trumpet horn ready for the next tier of stupidity.

Clown cars inbound.


Edited by Geordie P, 10 May 2020 - 08:07 AM.

Here's some meaningless stats for you to shame me with... Have at it.


Warthog II #7 Posted 10 May 2020 - 08:26 AM

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View Postscwirpeo, on 10 May 2020 - 07:32 AM, said:

You can always just shoot them.

Ramming them is sometimes easier.

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View PostWarthog II, on 10 May 2020 - 01:26 AM, said:

Ramming them is sometimes easier.

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I'd love to clip one with my KV-5. Fantastic hit.

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I really didn’t want to see the wheeled lights come to the game....but now I kinda do just to see the epic volcanic eruption of salty tears. 

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View Posthexine, on 10 May 2020 - 07:25 AM, said:

they ruin every game they are in. they are too fast and hard to hit. i don't want to hear any flexing on skill either nobody an reliably hit those. Its obvious from the way the drivers take them anywhere with impunity that they know nobody can hit them

 

and even if you do get a lucky shot they have way too much health for their size. you want to keep it that small and fast? fine it should have 200 to 300 hp max

 

For all the off-hand nonsense above about shooting or ramming them, hexine is completely correct.

 

The combination of size, speed, hit points and damage potential is silly.  Lots of people play them poorly but in the hands of someone semi-competent they are utterly OP for their class. Given the aim time and accuracy of many of the tanks they come up against, it is very difficult to hit them beyond very close range. Even then you need a bit of luck.

 

At the start of a match when they are waiting at the spawn with the rest of the team they look like a remote control car. Can't think what motivated WG to put them in the game.

 


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To quote a friend of mine, "learn-how-to-aim." The only thing the Vanguard has going for it is its size and speed. It's a unique vehicle and I'm glad it is in the game. It is also one of the most fun tanks to play. You should get one. :)


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Im on the fence about the effect the Vanguard has on the game. I wouldnt say it is OP but I do think it can swing the game unlike any other tank, in many situations. And for those who want to flex their shot, just stop. Its a dice roll to hit a heavy tank sitting still, with this game's random accuracy. When you hit the Vanguard at any distance, going full speed, RNG was on your side. 


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View PostM4ntiX, on 10 May 2020 - 10:28 AM, said:

To quote a friend of mine, "learn-how-to-aim." The only thing the Vanguard has going for it is its size and speed. It's a unique vehicle and I'm glad it is in the game. It is also one of the most fun tanks to play. You should get one. :)

 

It also has great camo.  With help of camo net, I can sit in bush inside the enemy base and see how enemy tanks are trying to figure out what makes the siren ring. I can almost hear how they say, "It must be bug, lets go back." :trollface:

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Fearless2997 #14 Posted 10 May 2020 - 11:18 AM

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i agree with op and as for learn to aim M4ntix, i mean i know how to lead shots but those dam things are like a flea jumping around and at range very hard to shoot , apparantly they are true to scale in real life i find it hard to believe an action man could fit in one 

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View PostFearless2997, on 10 May 2020 - 11:18 AM, said:

i agree with op and as for learn to aim M4ntix, i mean i know how to lead shots but those dam things are like a flea jumping around and at range very hard to shoot , apparantly they are true to scale in real life i find it hard to believe an action man could fit in one 

 


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View PostM4ntiX, on 10 May 2020 - 02:28 AM, said:

To quote a friend of mine, "learn-how-to-aim." The only thing the Vanguard has going for it is its size and speed. It's a unique vehicle and I'm glad it is in the game. It is also one of the most fun tanks to play. You should get one. :)

This is my line of thought as well, and for the record I don’t have a vanguard or an even 90 so I’m not protecting a crutch of mine

 

The vanguard has absolutely nothing going for it besides it’s size. Even its speed is mostly matchable by certain other light tanks. 
 

The vanguard would be literally useless if it was bigger than it is. It would need significant gun buffs if WG ever did that, which I doubt they will since the even 90 is a real tank that really is tiny in real life.

 

There are pictures of a real even 90 sitting next to sedans, and it is barely, and I emphasize barely, bigger than a small sedan



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How to shoot lights:

Don't max zoom sniper view.

Lead your target.

 



LeTank3r #18 Posted 10 May 2020 - 01:13 PM

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I don't think they're op. It's their size that's annoying. They're smaller than anything in my garage so they can sit right at my side, track my tank and do damage, and my guns will be too long or not enough depression to do anything about it. 



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View PostLeTank3r, on 10 May 2020 - 01:13 PM, said:

I don't think they're op. It's their size that's annoying. They're smaller than anything in my garage so they can sit right at my side, track my tank and do damage, and my guns will be too long or not enough depression to do anything about it. 

 

Then you've made the mistake of letting the enemy tank get too close to do that and on your own.

That happens with the E-25, ELC, and a lot more tanks for the Japanese Heavy line.


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View PostDesyatnik Pansy, on 10 May 2020 - 07:17 AM, said:

 

Then you've made the mistake of letting the enemy tank get too close to do that and on your own.

That happens with the E-25, ELC, and a lot more tanks for the Japanese Heavy line.

 

Yeah, it was my fault. It's not been something that's happened very often with them. But I think their ability to that with most other tanks would be the main concern with them in a game--to not let them get close enough be able to farm like that.




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