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RaiBOT01-x #1 Posted 11 May 2020 - 06:14 PM

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Hey everyone!

 

My name is Jeff Gregg, and I am the Lead Designer on World of Tanks Mercenaries.

Welcome to "Let's talk about tanks! AMX 50 B edition".

The goal is to highlight specific tanks, one at a time, and really dig down into what makes them tick, how they are being used, and how approaches may be taken to improve them if necessary.

As you read you will see a lot of charts and data. All of this data compares the tank to every other tank of its tier over a sixty-day period. All data is pulled from Random Battles only.

This article focused on the AMX 50 B. Let's get started.

 

Battles and Popularity

A Tier X French Heavy, the AMX 50 B uses its defenses to protect its team and takes down foes with the 120 mm SA46.

The heavy tank is used by the players ~ 3,500 battles a day.

 

So how is this tank doing with these players? According to the data it wins an average of ~ 50.6% of the battles it fights in:

Let's take a deeper look into win rate. An average of win/loss doesn't tell us as much as some may think. As always, we should do is evaluate WHO is using this tank when it comes to skill.

Below we see a grey curve (representing the skill of ALL players) and a blue curve (representing the skill of the players using this tank). The higher the curve, the more players at that skill level are using the tank. We can see that most players are right in the middle / are usually successful at ~ 50% win/loss. The lower the skill and the higher the skill, the fewer the players.

Now we might ask: "there are players with 100% win rate?!" or "there are players with 0% win rate?!" Those are likely players that played once in this tank and won or lost and then stopped. Super low occurrence outliers.

The AMX 50 B seems to be right in line with the average popularity of all tier X tanks. There is a slight bump at the very-high skill level (~62% to 70%):

 

Let's look at the tank's win/loss compared to skill. In the below picture we see two lines, one that represents the entire population's win/loss and another that represents this tank's win/loss.

The AMX 50 B performs exactly as it should when looked at via skill level. Lines are almost completely overlapped, meaning this tank neither hurts you nor helps you more than expected based on your win rate:

 

Weapons

Let's keep looking and focus on the weapon (the 120 mm SA46)

Accuracy is really good for a Heavy. The weapon connects with a target ~ 78% of the time:

Penetration is great for a heavy. This tank penetrates 55% of the shots that hit foes.

Damage per shot that hit is not so amazing. Average of ~ 260 damage per hit:

Damage per shot that hits AND penetrates is significantly better. If you pen you do ~ 370 damage:

Damage per battle is where this tank shines. While the damage per hit and pen is low (but the latter is higher than the former) we can see the damage per battle is in the upper range for tier X heavy tanks, doing ~ 2k damage per battle:

 

Survival, etc.

Let's keep looking at other stats.

How often does this tank survive a match? On average the tank about 26% of the time which is low for a tier X heavy:

How long does the tank live for in a match? On average, about 4min and 34seconds which is also fairly low for a tier X Heavy:

How far does this tank move? It is actually one of the most mobile Heavy tier X tanks in the game, but averages right in the middle for all tier X vehicles:

How much damage does it usually block? Very, very little. It is the worst Heavy tier X re: blocking damage in the game. By a lot:

 

Conclusions

We have analyzed numerical data on this tank.

The things that stand out the most are:

  • This tank seems to perform well in terms of win/loss and damage output but has low stats based on its class.

 

Action Items
Based on this we plan on doing the following:

  • Reclassify the AMX 50 B as a Medium Tank as well as the AMX 50 100 and AMX 50 120.
  • It is true this tank was a Heavy tank when under development
  • Their stats, performance, and play style lend themselves to the Medium class in our game.
  • Also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMX-50
    • "The AMX 50, as originally planned, would have been a medium rather than a heavy tank, France being the first of the tank-producing nations to abandon the heavy tank class."

 

The above changes will take place on May 19th.

 

In order to measure the impact of these changes once they are committed, we need at least 5,000 battles in the tank(s) to have enough data. Once we have that amount of info, we will report back here on what the results were and (if necessary) what the next steps will be.

 

If you have feedback about this process or have further questions, reach out! Stay tuned here for results of the test and for what the next tank we focus on is.

 

See you on the battlefield!


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more should be done to the AMX 50B reload should be returned to its original state 28 or 30 seconds (not sure someone please confirm) if I’m not mistaken and should receive the PCs buffs aim-time 3 -> 2.5 seconds because it’s honestly freaking ridiculous and makes no sense that the FV4005 with a 183 mm has a faster aim-time than the 50B. FV4005 = 2.7 seconds aim-time and the 50B = 3 seconds. Please consider these buffs to the tank. And do you plan to reduce the HP pool of the 50B because if you, do won’t that just decrease it’s survivability even more ? A little more details please

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Welp.. looks like I get to start removing and updating some of my videos... slightly annoyed by this, but expected it at some point...

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Yikes so the AMX 50B has went from being the longest aim time heavy to the longest aim time medium I'm sure that's a better alternative than just buffing the aim time like everyone's asked for over the past few years. :rolleyes:

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In before nerfs in two weeks for over performing as a medium.

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Actually serious question. Since the 50B is being reclassified as a medium tank. Does this mean the Machine will be reclassified as well now that it would be using mostly medium tank parts? Heck, I held off updating my auto loading heavies video months ago because the machine is classified as a heavy but felt more like a medium tank. 

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Do you really only plan on fixing the T10s? Because lots of lower tier tanks are broken and like waiting for everything 2 weeks for a new update on just 2 tanks is not cutting it at this point. Have you guys thought of adjusting 2 tanks from each tier ever two weeks? Because if your lower tiers are broken how do you expect to keep new players? The player base is dwindling and I hope you guys start feeling a sense of urgency.

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View Postlira_mvp328, on 18 May 2020 - 10:10 AM, said:

Do you really only plan on fixing the T10s? Because lots of lower tier tanks are broken and like waiting for everything 2 weeks for a new update on just 2 tanks is not cutting it at this point. Have you guys thought of adjusting 2 tanks from each tier ever two weeks? Because if your lower tiers are broken how do you expect to keep new players? The player base is dwindling and I hope you guys start feeling a sense of urgency.

 

This initiative is driven by community feedback with Tier X being the main point of discussion among the community so it's where we are starting from. :honoring:

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Could you maybe explain why you think this change will have positive or negative affects on the tank? Are you just changing it to a medium so that the stats look better for the class?

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View PostMaximos92, on 18 May 2020 - 02:14 PM, said:

Could you maybe explain why you think this change will have positive or negative affects on the tank? Are you just changing it to a medium so that the stats look better for the class?

 

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View PostMaximos92, on 18 May 2020 - 10:14 AM, said:

Could you maybe explain why you think this change will have positive or negative affects on the tank? Are you just changing it to a medium so that the stats look better for the class?

 

It shouldn't have any impact on the tank. It's just re-classing it as it has more in common with the Medium tank class than the Heavy tank class. 



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Are there any inherent changes to the AMX 50 series as they move to mediums? The 50b would have the highest HP of any tier X medium as it currently stands and the lowest camo. Are those being adjusted with the change? 

 

 


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View PostMaxChaos24, on 18 May 2020 - 02:21 PM, said:

 

It shouldn't have any impact on the tank. It's just re-classing it as it has more in common with the Medium tank class than the Heavy tank class. 

 

So then what is the point? Why not just nerf or buff another tank instead of wasting your time and ours with this change?

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View Postnatedaishmaster, on 18 May 2020 - 10:22 AM, said:

Are there any inherent changes to the AMX 50 series as they move to mediums? The 50b would have the highest HP of any tier X medium as it currently stands and the lowest camo. Are those being adjusted with the change? 

 

 

 

There are no other changes, only a re-class. Performance-wise it's doing fine. :honoring:

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View PostMaxChaos24, on 18 May 2020 - 02:21 PM, said:

 

It shouldn't have any impact on the tank. It's just re-classing it as it has more in common with the Medium tank class than the Heavy tank class. 

 

so we basically just wasted a slot for nerfing and buffing that could’ve been used for a different tank on something that won’t even have an impact on the tank (50B) ? It’s basically like we wasted 2 weeks waiting for a change that has no impact. Great 

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View Postlira_mvp328, on 18 May 2020 - 02:25 PM, said:

 

so we basically just wasted a slot for nerfing and buffing that could’ve been used for a different tank on something that won’t even have an impact on the tank (50B) ? It’s basically like we wasted 2 weeks waiting for a change that has no impact. Great 

 

yes that is correct

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View PostMaximos92, on 18 May 2020 - 10:23 AM, said:

 

So then what is the point? Why not just nerf or buff another tank instead of wasting your time and ours with this change?

 

Hello, this initiative is driven by the community. The point is transparency and communication with the players so they can see what tanks are doing and why changes are being made or not made. :honoring:

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View PostMaxChaos24, on 18 May 2020 - 02:26 PM, said:

 

Hello, this initiative is driven by the community. The point is transparency and communication with the players so they can see what tanks are doing and why changes are being made or not made. :honoring:

 

I would love to see the poll where the community voted to have the 50b turned into a medium. But thanks for being transparent :rolleyes:

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View PostMaximos92, on 18 May 2020 - 02:28 PM, said:

 

I would love to see the poll where the community voted to have the 50b turned into a medium. But thanks for being transparent :rolleyes:

 

you guys didn’t even specify the details of how you’re gonna transition it from a heavy to a medium. Are you guys literally just gonna change it class from a heavy to a medium without touch anything aside from that? So much transparency, but I do appreciate that you’re taking the time to answer our questions.






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