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John-berg1995 #1 Posted 23 May 2020 - 05:06 PM

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Why is shooting heat frowned upon by so many despite it being available for SILVER. 

 

And despite it being frowned upon those same people who get mad at you also spam premium ammo. 

 

Heat isn't everything. It's not a be all end all round of ultimate power. it's not easy mode. Shooting heat takes some amount of skill weather you agree or not. and in some cases shooting heat actually lessons your chances to penetrate certain tanks. Due to heat being unable to over match armor. 

 

Example. 

 

Foch 155 vs E5, with HEAT I can pen the lower plate and cupola 

 

With AP i can pen the lower plate of E5 I can also pen the cupola. As well as over matching part of the side armor. AND the roof armor. 

 

In a situation like this you'd be better off just using the AP 

 

I understand why some people might hate it. Because they spent a whole 2 years grinding the Japanese heavy line only to finally reach the type 5 and find out it's armor is irrelevant, thanks in part to heat. 

 

But why the hate? "No skill" I still call B.S. on this statement. I LOVE running into autolocking players who spam gold at my maus. I can farm steel walls game in and game out by people who don't realize you can't actually just derp heat into stuff without aiming. 

 

In my opinion. It's a tool. It's part of the game. Why not use it? you can't seriously expect something like a leopard 1 to fight a maus or type 5 without heat. It's completely ridiculous, heat, as well as APCR has its place in the game. To counter armor. It's unfortunate that some tanks rely so heavily on their armor but that's the nature of the game. you can't expect good players to just go "welp I can't pen so I guess I'll just keep shooting and bouncing" no they aren't going to fool around and bounce you knowing they can just load premium and fully negate your advantage. 

 

This game isn't based on honor. We don't have duels. This is a game where you do what you must to win the game. 

 

Sometimes that means abusing game mechanics. Sometimes it means boosting into unreachable areas. Sometimes it's shooting full premium ammunition into a platoon of E100s 

 

I don't see an issue with using the correct ammunition for the job at hand. 



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i couldn’t care what shells people are shooting unless i’m in a japanese heavy

 


Koncorde #3 Posted 23 May 2020 - 05:13 PM

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People don't like being penned.

Anything that helps the enemy pen you is broken.

Unless you are using it to pen them, then it is skill.

But if you bounce your special ammo then that is cheating again. Probably OP pay-to-win tank, or WG premium account holder RNG boost.

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It DESTROYES the existence of certain super heeavies

 

 

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John-berg1995 #5 Posted 23 May 2020 - 05:16 PM

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View PostJAG THE GEMINI, on 23 May 2020 - 05:13 PM, said:

It DESTROYES the existence of certain super heeavies

What do you expect? That Good players are just going to go "oh darn it's a super heavy! Let's bounce all our AP off it's armor!!" 

 

Some super heavies are completely immune to AP



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I could ask the reverse question:  why do some players feel entitled to absolute protection from heavy tank armor which takes almost no skill to deploy?  

 

It is well established that premium ammo is not a crutch but a skill multiplier.  Skilled players fire more shots per game and therefore derive more benefit from access to higher pen shells.


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Because people want to take out their heavily armored tank and be completely invincible.  Same reason people whine about any other given thing in this game.  People want their tank to be unbeatable and indestructible. 

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View PostThermalStone, on 23 May 2020 - 05:20 PM, said:

I could ask the reverse question:  why do some players feel entitled to absolute protection from heavy tank armor which takes almost no skill to deploy?  

 

It is well established that premium ammo is not a crutch but a skill multiplier.  Skilled players fire more shots per game and therefore derive more benefit from access to higher pen shells.

200 IQ on this one ^ wow lol you said it well. 



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View PostPontiac Pat, on 23 May 2020 - 09:20 AM, said:

For some people it's easier to complain than to improve.

 

Pretty much this.

 

People will always try to blame something else rather than themselves for their sucky-ness, and premium ammo is an easy thing to try blaming.


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It’s part of the game.

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It’s a tool as much has having two large repair kits or whatever. It makes you more effective the problem is when you have a tank that is nigh ineffective without spamming it. And also just spamming it for no reason though that doesn’t even guarantee a pen. I’ve long said though that it needs to have at least a slight alpha Nerf to coincide with the extra pen as a balance factor. The ability to use silver is inconsequential when nearly anyone who has played this game for more than 10 minutes has at least a few premium tanks to farm silver from


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This is probably directed to the 85% that doesn't even know about the forum. Usually it's random potatoes crying about them.

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Simple, short answer: totally based on the situation.

 

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Premium ammo isn't an issue as much as spamming it and not bothering to aim or try. When tier 5's could see tier 3 tanks it was always gross to see people firing only premium rounds in tanks like the Churchill III or PZ V/IV against tier 3 and 4 tanks. And tier 10's firing premium rounds at tier 8. I'd like to see the proposed change to APCR rounds so they do a bit less damage when they're premium rounds, when they're standard rounds they should have standard damage though. It may negatively affect when people actually need premium rounds, but it should stop the spam and make them used in their intended role when you absolutely need better rounds to go through enemy armor. 

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It’s not important. Just the heavy players want their god mode they have used to when play against the potatoes.

Don’t care at all. I’ll continue to use prem ammo as usual. Just accept the hate mails as compliments. :B


 

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View PostRed Dough Boy, on 23 May 2020 - 10:48 AM, said:

Premium ammo isn't an issue as much as spamming it and not bothering to aim or try. When tier 5's could see tier 3 tanks it was always gross to see people firing only premium rounds in tanks like the Churchill III or PZ V/IV against tier 3 and 4 tanks. And tier 10's firing premium rounds at tier 8. I'd like to see the proposed change to APCR rounds so they do a bit less damage when they're premium rounds, when they're standard rounds they should have standard damage though. It may negatively affect when people actually need premium rounds, but it should stop the spam and make them used in their intended role when you absolutely need better rounds to go through enemy armor. 

 

What's the harm in a high tier tank shooting premium at a lower tier tank other than to the shooter's wallet?  I do it frequently, often because I have a shell already loaded, I can't spare the half a second it takes to change ammo types, or I've already fired all my non premium shells.  It's this kind of anti-prammo hysteria that prevents some players from having a rational conversation about it.

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View PostKoncorde, on 23 May 2020 - 12:13 PM, said:

People don't like being penned.

Anything that helps the enemy pen you is broken.

Unless you are using it to pen them, then it is skill.

But if you bounce your special ammo then that is cheating again. Probably OP pay-to-win tank, or WG premium account holder RNG boost.

 

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it gives premium tanks an advantage because they make more silver and can spam it more often

 

it should have a limit to how often you can use it like a % of tank ammo that max can be premo






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