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SPUK4U #1 Posted 30 June 2020 - 08:33 PM

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While play my heavy tanks for daily x2 I have got a change to observe from close how teammates fight.  I got several  battles with teammates that try to push forward even if it's clear that enemy has three times more tanks in the flank. For me it looked like some players just fail to understand that they don't need to push when enemy is already coming towards them, they just need to stay low and wait that enemy comes to the open  field and then shoot fast as they can.  Do you agree with me that when enemy has more tanks it's better to defend than attack?

 

 


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bevenh #2 Posted 30 June 2020 - 08:41 PM

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Like me, some players just don’t get it?



Highlordwurm #3 Posted 30 June 2020 - 08:47 PM

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Such a crucial skill...especially half way through the match, when you win your flank and they just keep pushing into the cap where their top tier TDs have been waiting all game for them. :facepalm:  I'm lookin' at you, El Halluf! 

It took me a while to appreciate that, yes, I am in a tank...but, everyone is also in a vehicle designed to deal with tanks...


 


deadmeat1027 #4 Posted 30 June 2020 - 08:48 PM

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When outnumbered and you can secure a strong position for defense by all means, fighting and falling back is also an option. Engaging the enemy openly who has vastly superior numbers is rarely a good idea.
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Red Dough Boy #5 Posted 30 June 2020 - 08:48 PM

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When you're outnumbered it's best to let the enemy keep gaining ground and expose themselves to fire from several sides, even going as far to allow the enemy to get on your base and let themselves stay in the open so you can surround them. Holding a position to the last and not retreating in a smart way is stupid when you know the enemy outnumbers you. As well as falling back to aid a group that's struggling then having those tanks join in an attack. 

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madlop26 #6 Posted 30 June 2020 - 09:07 PM

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i have made so many bad judgments when to push but I think even the strongest players sometimes find difficult to when push or not, anyway, maybe you are asking too much. pe yesterday i thought i was in a win battle, 7 against a 2 man platoon, i was asking help to deal with them but i was left alone and everybody went to cap, the problem it was team destruction. I was barely able to take them down, if i have die for sure that was a lost battle.

CptBadger #7 Posted 30 June 2020 - 09:18 PM

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Simple, it's the opposite of what the majority of your team are doing..

Koncorde #8 Posted 30 June 2020 - 10:40 PM

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View PostRed Dough Boy, on 30 June 2020 - 08:48 PM, said:

When you're outnumbered it's best to let the enemy keep gaining ground and expose themselves to fire from several sides 

 

And this is the flaw of many corridor maps.

 

A lot of the time they encourage players to move from the base in order to join a fight, only to find that they can't get back as easily, or are out of range of one base and so overconfident in their ability to cap out.

 

I lost another Highway battle the other day in a standard battle. I had left us 6-2 tanks to the advantage when I died finishing their last dangerous tank. We had one tank in our own cap circle, and 5 tanks out in the north near their base.

 

They had two choices (with small variations within): 1. cap out and let our base defender farm damage, or 2. try and get back to help kill the last two attackers.

 

They didn't cap. They did move back to try and defend, but once our one defender was dead they all say in the field being shot at by the enemy base capturers.

 

5 tanks, 4 full health top tier, let two crippled one shot tanks win because...? Two of the tanks drove 2.5km and fired their guns 0 times. They'd have been better just not leaving the cap circle, at least they would have spotted the enemy for their allies.



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View PostSPUK4U, on 30 June 2020 - 03:33 PM, said:

While play my heavy tanks for daily x2 I have got a change to observe from close how teammates fight.  I got several  battles with teammates that try to push forward even if it's clear that enemy has three times more tanks in the flank. For me it looked like some players just fail to understand that they don't need to push when enemy is already coming towards them, they just need to stay low and wait that enemy comes to the open  field and then shoot fast as they can.  Do you agree with me that when enemy has more tanks it's better to defend than attack?

 

 

 

In general yes I would agree. If the reds are being super passive or are in a position they can’t easily support each other a determined attack instead might be in order to turn the tide. 


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View PostSPUK4U, on 30 June 2020 - 10:33 PM, said:

I got several  battles with teammates that try to push forward even if it's clear that enemy has three times more tanks in the flank. For me it looked like some players just fail to understand that they don't need to push when enemy is already coming towards them...

 

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scwirpeo #11 Posted 01 July 2020 - 12:19 AM

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If there's a position your tank can actually play then it's worth it even if you might be outnumbered. However if your pushing half way through a city map with a tank that has no armor you've made a mistake at some point.

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View PostCptBadger, on 30 June 2020 - 01:18 PM, said:

Simple, it's the opposite of what the majority of your team are doing..

 

Majority of the team is sitting in it's spawn deciding if to push forward or not. LOL 

RadiantPup27709 #13 Posted 01 July 2020 - 01:07 AM

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Never.


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It can depend on the map, tank and tier differential, but yes, not just charging into a larger group is generally a good idea.  



tediniki #15 Posted 01 July 2020 - 07:46 AM

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He protecc

He attacc

But most importanly, he loocc at de mapp


 

 

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pilotguy79 #16 Posted 01 July 2020 - 07:48 AM

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Attack... defend? Wth. You mean when is time to camp and camp harder?.

HeviMetalHamstr #17 Posted 01 July 2020 - 08:11 AM

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Great point!

It's something I'm only just beginning to get the glimmers of learning.



f1mitku #18 Posted 01 July 2020 - 09:09 AM

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Some players are just too impatient and don't understand when they have to stop and wait, even if their gun has loaded the next shell.

 

And there are quite a few also who don't know they have to shoot and not hide until the game is over (one way or another). Especially when the opposing team member is occupied by another teammate(s). It always bugs why someone continue to hide when he has free shots on an occupied red tank while he's fighting another green. :facepalm:


 

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ZCFlayer #19 Posted 01 July 2020 - 09:40 AM

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I always hate it when you see that situation where 1 red is holding up 2-3 greens on a corner. None of the greens want to take a hit so are just poking out of cover and letting the 1 red hold them in place. Even worse when you ping, rush through yourself to take the reds attention and the greens are still sitting scared and not taking advantage.

SPUK4U #20 Posted 01 July 2020 - 10:27 AM

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View Postpilotguy79, on 01 July 2020 - 07:48 AM, said:

Attack... defend? Wth. You mean when is time to camp and camp harder?.

 

For me attack and defend mean that you are in front-line and contact with enemy while camping means that you sit in back and your gun is not doing anything.  

 


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