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Ben The Orange-x #1 Posted 15 November 2020 - 02:35 PM

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Yesterday I had a game in my T49 on Prok. I had almost 8k all in spotting and no damage. Great I thought, I'll get some nice WN8 from this and increase my progress on my MOE. I got 225 WN8!

 

Why is assisstance counted so low? What's the comparison to damage? Since light tanks are all about scouting and lighting up the reds for team mates to shoot, this should be higher to me, at least for lights if nothing else. Dealing direct damage should be a secondary factor.

 

I finished third on the team list, had four times the spotting of any player on both sides and my team smashed the reds. I was awarded great XP, so the game recognises my contribytion in performance. But by WN8 standards, it's practically non existant. May as well of had zero across the board. Very puzzling, frustrating and annoying.



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I don't know the calculations of WN8, but your WN8 has nothing to do with your MOE.

MOE is based on combined damage.

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Maybe someone can correct me, I thought WN8 calculation is purely based on damage that you do, spotting damage is ignored. MOE, however, counts both.

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WN8 is based mostly on damage and kills, spotting damage has very little effect on it. You can read more about it here: http://forum.worldoftanks.eu/index.php?/topic/547149-wn8-formula-detailed-breakdown-stat-nerds-should-drop-by/

 

MOE are based on combined damage, so while you may get low WN8, your MOE standing will increase significantly on a big spotting game.


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View PostBen The Orange-x, on 15 November 2020 - 03:35 PM, said:

Why is assisstance counted so low?

 

IIRC, when WN8 (which is not a WG metric) was created, assdmg wasn't available from the API. That's probably why WN8 doesn't reward assdmg.

Some years ago there were some people working on a new metric (WN9), which would include assdmg, but they never finished the project.



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WN8 doesn't count spotting at all.

When WN8 was created, spotting wasn't available in the API.

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View Postbiold0-x, on 15 November 2020 - 03:46 PM, said:

Maybe someone can correct me, I thought WN8 calculation is purely based on damage that you do, spotting damage is ignored. MOE, however, counts both.

 

Mainly direct damage, but also (from memory) first spots, kills and wins.



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WN8 is rubbish, and you stumbled over one of the main problems it has. A 30-second scout making a few first spots would get a better WN8 than you with 8k spotting damage. It's silly, and it's very obviously silly.

 

One even bigger problem is more fundamental: I think it's a foolish idea to even attempt to create a single number supposed to describe a WoT player in his entirety. The game is far too complex for this. Sure, the complexity probably causes many players to even start look for such a number. That does not mean that WN8 is any help, nor that any other formula could.

 

Sadly, you can't just ignore it, it affects everyone because a lot of players do not play to win, but to increase their WN8. It's cancer, and should be ignored (as a general measurement of a player's skill) by everyone.

 

In a similar discussion a while back someone stated that WN8 is the most reliable value to estimate the likelyhood to win a game. Better than the winrate, really?



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View PostRubbelito-x, on 15 November 2020 - 03:51 PM, said:

Some years ago there were some people working on a new metric (WN9), which would include assdmg, but they never finished the project.

 

I would hardly call it a project. Creating the new formula is very simple.



Rubbelito-x #10 Posted 15 November 2020 - 05:15 PM

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View PostSirDerp-a-lot-p, on 15 November 2020 - 04:07 PM, said:

 

I would hardly call it a project. Creating the new formula is very simple.

 

Sounds great. Can we expect it during the coming week then?

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I was a lot happier playing before I discovered stats. 

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View PostRubbelito-x, on 15 November 2020 - 05:15 PM, said:

 

Sounds great. Can we expect it during the coming week then?

 

Haha nice one :teethhappy:.

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Ben The Orange-x #13 Posted 15 November 2020 - 05:30 PM

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Thanks for the replies. I looked at that WN8 link on the PC forum, it's a very good read. So all assisted damage isn't counted, but you'll get some for being first to spot that enemy tank in a battle. That's a serious flaw for me, especially regarding light tanks.

 

On a side not, you don't get any points for capping either. But you do for defending the cap. That's puzzling as well, though to a far lesser degree because, you know, it's capping....



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I stopped checking Wn8 ageeees ago. Decided I was never going to be a good player. Play for fun and don't worry about Wn8. 

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View PostSirDerp-a-lot-p, on 15 November 2020 - 06:07 PM, said:

 

I would hardly call it a project. Creating the new formula is very simple.

 

wotstars changed wn8 to wn8c the German site tried to do. C is console. Creating  new formula is simple,  but people do not trust it.


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View PostBen The Orange-x, on 15 November 2020 - 05:30 PM, said:

Thanks for the replies. I looked at that WN8 link on the PC forum, it's a very good read. So all assisted damage isn't counted, but you'll get some for being first to spot that enemy tank in a battle. That's a serious flaw for me, especially regarding light tanks.

 

On a side not, you don't get any points for capping either. But you do for defending the cap. That's puzzling as well, though to a far lesser degree because, you know, it's capping....

 

Like we said. Spotting isn't included in WN8 because at the time WN8 was created it couldn't be included. You get a small bonus for first detections during a match. 

 

Light tanks have incredibly low target damage for high WN8 relative to other tanks of their tier. So honestly it's a non issue. You should be doing damage anyway. If you're not doing damage you're depriving your team of a gun to contribute toward victory. 


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View PostRubbelito-x, on 15 November 2020 - 09:51 AM, said:

 

IIRC, when WN8 (which is not a WG metric) was created, assdmg wasn't available from the API. That's probably why WN8 doesn't reward assdmg.

Some years ago there were some people working on a new metric (WN9), which would include assdmg, but they never finished the project.

           He said assdmg



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View PostTempest fox3-x, on 15 November 2020 - 08:54 PM, said:

 

Like we said. Spotting isn't included in WN8 because at the time WN8 was created it couldn't be included. You get a small bonus for first detections during a match. 

 

Light tanks have incredibly low target damage for high WN8 relative to other tanks of their tier. So honestly it's a non issue. You should be doing damage anyway. If you're not doing damage you're depriving your team of a gun to contribute toward victory. 

 

or lets say average player does 100 damage in his light. Good player will do at least 1000 damage. That's why lights are wn8 makers. 


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View PostGUNMETALGREY1-x, on 15 November 2020 - 06:59 PM, said:

           He said assdmg

 

Sorry, should be assdmg™.

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View PostRubbelito-x, on 15 November 2020 - 06:01 PM, said:

 

Sorry, should be assdmg™.

:B

 

Yup, that's the special kind of damage you're getting when playing the Tusk. :D

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