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Joco3000-x #1 Posted 21 November 2020 - 03:34 PM

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Here's something that has been on my mind for a little while now.

Whenever a PC premium is ported over, it is almost always adjusted in some way, and usually in a way that makes the tank slightly less capable. As this is the same for the tech tree tanks we get ported over, this is only natural, although some rather powerful vehicles do slip through the net. The WZ-111 QL is the most offensive of those I can think of.

However, many console exclusive (or modified) premiums come in and completely make the previous additions obsolete.

 

A fantastic example of this is the T-34-100 Ragnarok, a rather powerful vehicle, although not the worst offender. This is a vehicle that is so powerful that, when they decided to port over the other Czech autoloading medium (The T 27), it was buffed and is still not worth getting over the Ragnarok.

Another good example would be the Lancen C Draugen, which makes the previously rather powerful Type 59-II and King Dragon almost obsolete.

 

It does also go in the other direction, mind. The M48A2 Patton and T28 Demolisher both come to mind, with the latter being almost completely non-functional in even a top tier game without copious APCR usage.

 

Further compounding this is those tanks that get both an autoloader and a single shot package. The latter is almost always worse off (and I believe you can't put a gun rammer on any of them, although correct me if I am wrong).

What actually brought on this topic is one such vehicle, as I was recently very kindly gifted a Rip Rod. I haven't played a great deal in this particular vehicle, but I am pretty sure that it is not an overly well balanced vehicle.

 

I realise that they can release a balanced premium, but I actually can't think of any console exclusive premium that properly fit that bill released in the past 15 months.

 


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dzhey43-x #2 Posted 21 November 2020 - 03:45 PM

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My only guess is supertester are noobs and their test results are just random [edited], which is used to balance a tank. That's not a joke. I also thought why and I could not have any stronger reason, than this.


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I think It's all because of lack of testing. They make an educated guess how certain values work and sometimes tank comes out good and sometimes it's bad.   We should have possibility to test these new and old premium tanks in some test mission so that we would get an idea do we want to buy them and WG would get some comparison data how tanks are performing before it's released to sales.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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View Postdzhey43-x, on 21 November 2020 - 03:45 PM, said:

My only guess is supertester are noobs and their test results are just random [edited], which is used to balance a tank. That's not a joke. I also thought why and I could not have any stronger reason, than this.

 

You definitely don't understand what supertesters do.

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The Czech Gen is well balanced.  It's not OP and comparable to the tt imo..  Yes, compared to Radnarok it's bad.  
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View Posttokyobatman-p, on 21 November 2020 - 08:32 AM, said:

The Czech Gen is well balanced.  It's not OP and comparable to the tt imo..  Yes, compared to Radnarok it's bad.  

 

That’s the point of the post the general is a pc port with adjusted stats while the console exclusive is much much more powerful even without the credit boost. 

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Joco3000-x #8 Posted 21 November 2020 - 05:48 PM

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View PostTheOneWhoPlucks-x, on 21 November 2020 - 04:54 PM, said:

 

That’s the point of the post the general is a pc port with adjusted stats while the console exclusive is much much more powerful even without the credit boost. 

 

That is exactly my point.

 

The T 27 is a lovely tank. Well balanced and remarkably capable.

It is also functionally useless compared to the Ragnarok, which can do pretty much everything else better and with less effort.


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Maybe to prove to WG HQ that their console “exclusives” sell better than the PC ports? To keep themselves looking good? Half joking, half serious....

 

“Well hey look, no one bought the T27 we brought over, but our Ragnarok is selling like hot cakes!!”

 

The Draugen was a hit, but no one likes the Lansen C, even though we made it a dual trainer! We don’t know why!”
 

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View PostJoco3000-x, on 21 November 2020 - 11:48 AM, said:

 

That is exactly my point.

 

The T 27 is a lovely tank. Well balanced and remarkably capable.

It is also functionally useless compared to the Ragnarok, which can do pretty much everything else better and with less effort.

 

Yes, I know your point.  However,  most players don't want a balanced tank. I have lost count how many threads start with this premium is to weak, when in reality its balanced compared to the tt.  Players want op premium tanks and complain when the premium tank is just balanced. That's why I used the General.  Good tank, but most players don't want it.
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In the very thread I read before this one, people are very happy about the possibility that the blatantly overpowered QL might be on sale next week.

 

Good tanks are popular, and Wargaming shamelessly adds overpowered tanks to make more money.

 

There is that other side you mentioned: Several of the tanks coming over from PC are very well balanced (Progetto, LT-432, even Defender and 430U have been nerfed). Why the difference? Who is the person responsible for balancing, approving the QL or the Bellerophone, but demanding a nerf for the LT-432?



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If it isn‘t OP, WG gets no coins. Look at the Vindicator Desaster. Or the Grizzly, best looking tank in the game but...

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I've often asked this question as well. It's definitely a trend that console exclusive prems are always far more powerful than they should be.
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They make them OP because they know that the scrubs and the whales will buy them if they are OP, lets not forget the Abomination, that "Worked as intended " because everyone from the worst scrub to the over the top Uni overperformed in it.

It is called Powercreep, and i really dislike it, i do not buy or play with blatanly Op tanks.

I miss when Premiums was not op or better than TT tanks, Good old Is6 or Kv5.


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View PostPanthergraf-x, on 21 November 2020 - 08:13 PM, said:

If it isn‘t OP, WG gets no coins. Look at the Vindicator Desaster. Or the Grizzly, best looking tank in the game but...

 

You should get the Eagle7, balanced and great looking, it can get you results if you use it correctly:)

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View PostAskingCupid78-x, on 22 November 2020 - 10:54 AM, said:

They make them OP because they know that the scrubs and the whales will buy them if they are OP, lets not forget the Abomination, that "Worked as intended " because everyone from the worst scrub to the over the top Uni overperformed in it.

It is called Powercreep, and i really dislike it, i do not buy or play with blatanly Op tanks.

I miss when Premiums was not op or better than TT tanks, Good old Is6 or Kv5.

 

Power creep is a normal part of games such as this, and annoyingly enough WGCB has takes several measures to help limit the effect.

All of these steps are thrown out of the window when it comes to the console exclusive premiums.

 

View PostPanthergraf-x, on 21 November 2020 - 08:13 PM, said:

If it isn‘t OP, WG gets no coins. Look at the Vindicator Desaster. Or the Grizzly, best looking tank in the game but...

 

I think the Vindicator could had sold reasonably well if it weren't so expensive.

Its high price tag is certainly a detriment.


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It was more expensive than the Draugen, which is more of a Charioteer than the Vindicator. So sad.

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View PostAskingCupid78-x, on 22 November 2020 - 12:03 PM, said:

 

You should get the Eagle7, balanced and great looking, it can get you results if you use it correctly:)


That‘s a very good tank, but a PC port, not a console exclusive :-)



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View Postdzhey43-x, on 21 November 2020 - 03:45 PM, said:

My only guess is supertester are noobs and their test results are just random [edited], which is used to balance a tank. That's not a joke. I also thought why and I could not have any stronger reason, than this.

 

we used to have larger super tester pools of people but they shortened it, it was tough to keep both cients downloaded on ps4 at all times admittedly

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not sure the supertesters are bad, probably the opposite

cloneguy has posited that  there are "bad tanks" that get further nerffed because only unicums can make them work... so only they play them -which gives a wrong impression the tank is OP so it gets burned down. something similar is probably happening with the supertester pool on PC ports......


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