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anonym_O5qYQx424ePe #1 Posted 10 January 2021 - 05:42 PM

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This will be my last post on these forums. I've spent enough time and energy expressing my intense dismay and dissatisfaction with 6.0, and I feel it's time I take that time and energy and invest it somewhere else more productive. I've spent more time on the forums in the last month than I have in my prior 6 years combined. To put it plainly, this game - this studio - is just not worth my time or energy anymore. It's been made abundantly and painfully clear that Wargaming has no regard for their players, other than how much money they can squeeze out of them. So without further preamble, here's my final thoughts....

 

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It's been nearly one month since 6.0 irrevocably changed this game, and to possibly undo the irreparable damage that it's done to this game, the reputation of the studio, and its player base will take years assuming the game is still around that long. Honestly, I'm not entirely sure they can recover from this, but I'm certainly no authority here, and despite my long years of gaming and having seen the outcome of disastrous mismanagement in other games similar to this one (e.g. Trion Worlds with Defiance), Wargaming may yet somehow pull this out of the fire. But I have neither the time nor the inclination to continue supporting this awful game while waiting for any of that to happen, and I'm loathe to endorse a studio for its greed and incompetence with my playtime or my money.

 

Maybe this will be a watershed moment for their studio. Maybe they'll come to finally understand that without their players, they are nothing. Without industry standards such as a fully integrated QA and UAT process in their SDLC, the most well-intentioned development will wreak all manner of havoc in their game and amongst their player base. That understanding their own game, intimately, and their customers, and being fully transparent through open and honest communication about design decisions are foundations for success. That making the game good, or better, will do more for the longevity of the game than any myopic, short-term goals of surreptitious design intended to soak more revenue from their players. And the humility to accept that they, the developers, don't always know what's best for the game. As obvious as some of that sounds, it seems to have eluded them completely, or perhaps intentionally. Yet the cynic in me highly doubts anything will change with this studio until its forced upon them.

 

To the developers at Wargaming who are directly responsible for this unmitigated mess, you are literally your own worst enemy. Your failure to connect with the players, your open and blatant disregard for your customers beyond how much money you can make from them, your unwillingness to solicit and listen to valuable player feedback, your deceptive business practices to obfuscate your design intentions and to ostensibly steal money from your players that they wouldn't have given you otherwise, your inability to truly understand what was working in your own game and what wasn't, and your arrogance and pride that are even now preventing you from accepting accountability for the profoundly terrible mistake you have made here and realizing that your only course forward is to return the game to its 5.0 state and start over, will likely in the end be your studio's undoing.

 

Since you refuse to listen to your players, maybe you'll actually hear them when more of them vote with their wallets and withdraw their financial support from your game. Trust me when I tell you, more will quit and/or stop giving you money in the months to come. The consequences may not present themselves immediately in your next quarterly earnings report, but eventually, the fallout from 6.0 will reach your bottom line. And then, after it's too late to do anything about it, someone will be held accountable in your company as you have some very difficult discussions trying to explain what went wrong and how it got to the point where the console revenue dried up and the game became financially unsustainable. That's what I see happening in your future. I've seen it happen before for other studios that made the exact same mistake you are making right now. At the very least, if you don't learn anything from this, you'll only make the same mistake again down the road, perhaps with update 7.0, if you manage to limp that far. History has a tendency of repeating itself when those lessons are ignored and not learned.

 

That all being said, I want to make a few things clear. I absolutely loved this game, even at its lowest points, and I've spent countless hours and money (more than I'd like to admit) supporting WoTC over the past 6+ years. I've had a lot of good times with my friends in this game. I've had some amazing, crazy fun matches in this game. I've also had quite a few profanity-laced frustrations. I've advocated on these forums for positive changes, such as with matchmaking and balance issues. I've slowly but surely improved as a player over the years from "Average" to "Great" according to WN8, and was nearly at "Unicum" level right before I quit. It's been a long, sometimes hard, but ultimately enjoyable road I have travelled with this game. But that journey has now come to its inexorable end. That unavoidable decision is a consequence of 6.0, which bears no similarity to the game I loved to play in 5.0 and earlier, other than the fact that both versions have tanks in them.

 

I don't wish any ill on the players who continue to play this game for whatever reasons that compel them to do so, whether that's Premium time you don't wish to leave on the table, or Gold you don't wish to leave unspent, or simply because the prospect of having to find a new game to play is just too daunting. But that's where my good will ends. For the vapid fanboys - those who blindly support the game - you do yourself and the game a disservice. It's only through critical and meaningful feedback that positive and productive change can be facilitated - though I'll concede that Wargaming has certainly made it clear that they are uninterested in player feedback. Nevertheless, simply endorsing the changes because you set the bar for quality and value far lower than anyone else doesn't help anyone, not Wargaming, nor your fellow players for whom you indirectly rely on to keep the game alive and solvent. While you're fanaticism is not unique to this game, it is a cancer that eats away at every game on the market.

 

To the rest of my fellow tankers out there in this community, many of whom I've come to respect for your modesty, your sportsmanship, and your skill, I thank each and every one of you for all the good matches you've given me over the years, and even for some of the advice along the way. But I do not think any less of any of you who have suppressed your dedication to this game in the face of the sobering reality that it's not the same game anymore, and it's worse for it in nearly every way. It's unfortunate and sad, but when faced with extreme situations such as this, the only logical, reasonable choice left to most of us is to move on. If you've already done so, you should be commended for your conviction, not vilified for it.

 

For anyone else still on the fence, or for those who are new to the community and either just curious what all the drama is about or who are trying to research the game before you dip your toe into the murky waters of WoTC, I invite you to watch the videos below. The authenticity of the outraged reaction, the abysmal changes that were made to the game for reasons that no one fully comprehends or asked for, and yet nearly everyone hates, all of which continue to ring true nearly a month out from 6.0. For those who find themselves in agreement with the sentiment of the videos and decide to leave the game, maybe one day, we'll meet again on the other side.

 

World Of Tanks Console Update 6.0: Heartbroken, Disgusted, Dissapointed | Quitting WoT Console - YouTube

 

(1) An Update on World of Tanks Console Update 6.0 | Going Nowhere - YouTube

 

 

God Bless and good luck to all of you. Audentes fortuna juvat.



sergeant-slow741-p #2 Posted 10 January 2021 - 06:21 PM

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End of passion play, crumbling away I'm your source of self destruction. Veins that pump with fear,sucking darkest clear leading on your death's destruction. Taste me you will see more as you need dedicated to how im killing you.

kromhout55-x #3 Posted 10 January 2021 - 06:23 PM

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Sadly you well thought farewell post is going to be lost on the majority on here, you've made some very valid points but, I fear they will fall on very deaf ears.

Personally I think the game is too badly broken for C&B to ever fix, they just have not got that level of competency to do nor, is there I think the will to do at C&B.

They think it is a success that only needs a few teaks to make it perfect. Yet they have missed what pre 6.0 meant to players. Still it seems it is a path they are determined to go down and I fear it leads to an abyss.

Yes I watched JD Gaming's video when he first posted it, I really felt that guy's anguish over what C&B had done to his game, PinnyGud and Minty should be made to view it.

Anyway I wish you all the best; take care, keep well and stay sane.



UltimoPit385186-x #4 Posted 10 January 2021 - 06:26 PM

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Thank you for stating so clearly what a large proportion of us feel. All the best in your gaming future, I also loved the game. 6 finished me in that regard. I have some small goals to complete but barring radical changes that I believe WG are unwilling and possibly incapable of performing that'll be it for me. Adieu.

Ben The Orange-x #5 Posted 10 January 2021 - 06:39 PM

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That was a beautiful post Mournblood, thank you!

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They carry on with the season garbage I think I'll give this game a break I am now getting sick of [edited]s focusing sooooo much on the season op when they should be playing the game, plus it's not fun to keep getting hit by annoying object 268 v5s everytime ,that tank will be the next issue in tier 10 100%, 303 pen with 850 alpha with gun handling of a medium tank is just broken and unbalanced ,makes tier 10 less fun.
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View PostTheWhiteWolf644-x, on 10 January 2021 - 06:40 PM, said:

They carry on with the season garbage I think I'll give this game a break I am now getting sick of [edited]s focusing sooooo much on the season op when they should be playing the game, plus it's not fun to keep getting hit by annoying object 268 v5s everytime ,that tank will be the next issue in tier 10 100%, 303 pen with 850 alpha with gun handling of a medium tank is just broken and unbalanced ,makes tier 10 less fun.

 

im also sick of every single word been censored now just get a back bone for once people and stop censoring everything!!! :facepalm:
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I shall miss your sagacity.

 


 

 

 

 


FluffyColt12271-x #9 Posted 10 January 2021 - 07:35 PM

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Strong post Mournblood. Really hits the spot. Im down to less than 1 game a day now from 30-40. Thats it really, the elastic has snapped and I've pretty much moved on. Absolutely loved that game too and at a loss as to why they did what they did.

MCFC-1894-p #10 Posted 10 January 2021 - 07:51 PM

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Great post.Always sad to see someone who supported, put money into and cared for the game as much as you leave the community. I’m still playing but I’m hanging on by the skin of my teeth at this stage, my hope that they can resurrect the game from the shambles we have now diminishing daily.

 I honestly hope that you can find another game to replace the game we all knew and enjoyed, please come back and let us know if you do. Good luck and happy hunting.



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As usual, a very well thought-out and written post. I don't think I have ever seen you in battle but judging by your forum comments it will be a shame to lose you as a member of this varied, devoted and often unorthodox community. Considering how much time and effort it must've taken to write what you did, it will be especially cruel to not see a reaction from WG. Minto, Max, at least have the decency to say goodbye to a dedicated tanker leaving the game for good. Be well, brother, and thank you for being the voice of reason when it was needed the most.

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View PostUltimoPit385186-x, on 10 January 2021 - 07:26 PM, said:

Thank you for stating so clearly what a large proportion of us feel. All the best in your gaming future, I also loved the game. 6 finished me in that regard. I have some small goals to complete but barring radical changes that I believe WG are unwilling and possibly incapable of performing that'll be it for me. Adieu.

 

This.

Ditch Doc-x #13 Posted 10 January 2021 - 08:17 PM

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Thanks for the thoughtful, passionate and reasonable post. You captured perfectly the sentiment I think the top WG leadership and development staff should be reading. Realising this is not likely to happen, perhaps Minto will share it with them. Thanks for the effort and time that went into your post and I hope enough changes to bring you back (and to help the game survive and grow). Best of luck and health to you and your family in 2021.

 


“They’re trying to kill me,” Yossarian told him calmly. ”No one’s trying to kill you,” Clevinger cried.

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I fully support the author. Our favorite game is dead.

MilitaryGoose05-x #15 Posted 10 January 2021 - 08:28 PM

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Well said old chap, well said.

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Too much text. I read first sentences at least and.. I'm really glad for you if you are really off. I deleted my acc after 6.0 till they return red/green and restored it after 5 days. I play it a lot now and the game is a [edited]. Total [edited][edited]. I am not as strong as you, cant delete my acc and wait 30 days. Waiting for bright changes. 


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Great post. I'm sticking with the game for the moment (although playing less and not enjoying the game too much) to see if it can be salvaged any time soon, but I'm not hopeful. If progress isn't quick, I've a mountain of other demands on my time.

I started playing this game because of the Covid lockdown as a bit of a distraction and got hooked into it. Before 6.0 happened I was looking forward to months and likely years of playing and working my way up to tier 10, spending money on the way.

That's unlikely now - not just because 6.0 has reduced my enjoyment of the game, but also because it seems that the game has been restructured to make grinding kind of pointless.

So WG had another potential long term veteran to invest in their game and at the moment it's looking like they've blown it.


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Excellent summation and something which the executive management should have put in front of them to better understand what they've done to their customer base.  Unfortunately, the organization seems pretty broken so that's not likely to happen through the usual channels. 

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A very passionate & precise post...God speed Sir :honoring:

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View PostFluffyColt12271-x, on 11 January 2021 - 03:35 AM, said:

Strong post Mournblood. Really hits the spot. Im down to less than 1 game a day now from 30-40. Thats it really, the elastic has snapped and I've pretty much moved on. Absolutely loved that game too and at a loss as to why they did what they did.

 

this^
 

there are days now I don’t play at all because this new game doesn’t have the same allure as the old game

 






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