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Should the T58 be added to the game?

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Joco3000-x #1 Posted 15 September 2021 - 02:14 PM

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Here's a question that I have had differing opinions over the years on.

 

For those of you who are unaware, the T58 is a heavy tank related to the T57. Like the T57, it is based on the M103 Hull and fitted with an autoloading, oscillating turret. The turret has thinner armour than the T57, but there is a familial resemblance.

 

Where the two tanks differ, however, is the armament. The T58 is armed with a 155mm T7 variant, very different from the 120mm M58 variant on the T57. This is also why the turret shape is different and the armour is different. It's also the sole reason why I have been on the fence for adding the tank.

 

In short, it is a turreted 155mm armed heavy tank. This can be balanced in theory, but there is a fine line.

 

Should this be a tank that could be added to the game, or not? The addition of such a vehicle isn't needed, but a high penetration turreted autoloading155mm tank would be interesting. 


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Tempest fox3-x #2 Posted 15 September 2021 - 02:15 PM

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Probably something better to include in cold war rather than WWII. I don't think we need more high alpha/burst autoloaders in WW2 at the moment. 

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I always error on the "add everything" side, but this sounds interesting regardless. Yes for me  :great:

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View PostJoco3000-x, on 15 September 2021 - 08:14 AM, said:

Here's a question that I have had differing opinions over the years on.

 

For those of you who are unaware, the T58 is a heavy tank related to the T57. Like the T57, it is based on the M103 Hull and fitted with an autoloading, oscillating turret. The turret has thinner armour than the T57, but there is a familial resemblance.

 

Where the two tanks differ, however, is the armament. The T58 is armed with a 155mm T7 variant, very different from the 120mm M58 variant on the T57. This is also why the turret shape is different and the armour is different. It's also the sole reason why I have been on the fence for adding the tank.

 

In short, it is a turreted 155mm armed heavy tank. This can be balanced in theory, but there is a fine line.

 

Should this be a tank that could be added to the game, or not? The addition of such a vehicle isn't needed, but a high penetration turreted autoloading155mm tank would be interesting. 

 

It can simply be added as an alternative turret and gun of the T57 Heavy.



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View PostJoco3000-x, on 15 September 2021 - 06:14 AM, said:

Here's a question that I have had differing opinions over the years on.

 

For those of you who are unaware, the T58 is a heavy tank related to the T57. Like the T57, it is based on the M103 Hull and fitted with an autoloading, oscillating turret. The turret has thinner armour than the T57, but there is a familial resemblance.

 

Where the two tanks differ, however, is the armament. The T58 is armed with a 155mm T7 variant, very different from the 120mm M58 variant on the T57. This is also why the turret shape is different and the armour is different. It's also the sole reason why I have been on the fence for adding the tank.

 

In short, it is a turreted 155mm armed heavy tank. This can be balanced in theory, but there is a fine line.

 

Should this be a tank that could be added to the game, or not? The addition of such a vehicle isn't needed, but a high penetration turreted autoloading155mm tank would be interesting. 

 

I'd say no just because anything like the WTE100 with any semblance of armor or camo is gonna be broken. The waffle is a good baseline for the 2250 clip and how to not have it break the game. Unless it has a 4 second interclip or trash accuracy or some other debilitating factors, it probably shouldn't see the game

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I will always support adding new tanks.

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sounds like a better waffle E100.... scary thought. 

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I like the idea of it in CW. Make it an era 2 premium tank, so it can balance the plague of dillo's.

 


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I’m in agreement with tempest and dadandcam. Probably a better fit for CW.

With that being said, I also like Thor’s suggestion by adding it to the T57 as another turret and gun, but what would it be called then?

More tanks the better I say.


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I understand that it is meant to be a heavy but perhaps in can be classified as a TD for this game? 


 


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View PostRogueTrooper180-x, on 15 September 2021 - 03:55 PM, said:

I’m in agreement with tempest and dadandcam. Probably a better fit for CW.

With that being said, I also like Thor’s suggestion by adding it to the T57 as another turret and gun, but what would it be called then?

More tanks the better I say.

 

Following the naming convention of the US Arties like the M53/55 or M40/43. It would be the T57/58.

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Yes please and for WW2 mode. Give it 650 alpha, 3.5 or 4 second intra-clip reload and 40 second magazine reload or something around that era.

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Some would say it would break things, they likely to spam heat all day in the quest for damage something that effects me less

but there is is auto loaders everywhere, its not going to breakthings



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Waffle based PTSD intensifies.

 

How big is the mag?


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I would agree to have it in as the T-57/58 in WW2 and/or in cold war era 2. For a 155mm tank comparison, the Foch 155 has a 50 sec reload with a 5 sec intra clip with 770 alpha and 3 shots in the magazine. If this tank were to be added I would have the intra clip be 5.0 and the reload to be 50 sec, but decrease the 50 sec reload of the Foch 155 to make it a more competitive choice between the 120mm like 45 sec or 40 sec or some other type of change. Any ideas?

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T58 coming to the game? Say yes to that. but obviously the clip is going to be the biggest problem and no it shouldn't be like how it was going to be IRL. That'd be broken as hell. Think a 2 round mag and making thinking it would get the Prem round as the same APCR as the T30 does (as it a newer version of it and whatnot and not to use HEAT for once which would be nice) as for the Standard round it would be 260mm ish instead of trying to "balance" it by having a crappy pen like other 150mm guns that aren't TDs like the E-100 and 60TP and then forcing others to use Prem as standard can't really pen much unless they spend the whole time trying to aim at weakspots that don't exist

 

As for aim time, dispersion and the reload. thinking 2.7 aim time .24/.21 for movement and hull traverse and turret would be .17 and no more than that (T30 and E4 should be .17/.15 as .24 for both is just stupid) reload would be around 30 secs as it would have ONLY 2 rounds and no more and not be a single shot either. as for the inter clip reload it would be at least 2.5 seconds to maybe even 4 to help keep it a little more balanced AND the alpha would be 750 for standard and Prem would be 680 to help balance it and even lower prem spam as well.

 

 

The armor would be the same as the T57 but with one change coming from the M103 from PC as it's mid plate was nerfed and IMO think other tanks with the M103's hull like the T series and T57 should follow suit as well. 


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View PostBrogueOne-p, on 15 September 2021 - 05:23 PM, said:

What? No scandalous pictures?

 

Here it is in a partial state of undress

It's a picture of the unfinished prototype without the gun, hopefully showcasing the different turret shape.

 

View PostCorrupted Ewok-x, on 15 September 2021 - 08:27 PM, said:

Waffle based PTSD intensifies.

 

How big is the mag?

 

That's actually not needed.

Magazine size in-game is based more on balance than historical capacity. For example, the AMX 13s had 18-24 rounds, if I recall correctly.

 

View PostLacqueredBacon-x, on 15 September 2021 - 04:21 PM, said:

I understand that it is meant to be a heavy but perhaps in can be classified as a TD for this game? 

 

That's on the table. I omitted potential class in the OP, after all.

It's more a thread on if the tank should even be considered.

View Postnatedaishmaster-x, on 15 September 2021 - 02:33 PM, said:

 

I'd say no just because anything like the WTE100 with any semblance of armor or camo is gonna be broken. The waffle is a good baseline for the 2250 clip and how to not have it break the game. Unless it has a 4 second interclip or trash accuracy or some other debilitating factors, it probably shouldn't see the game

 

That's the crux of the issue.

Effectively, we're talking about a hybrid between the Foch 155 and WT E-100.

Realistically, because it has some armour (less that a T57's at worse angles though, as you can see in the above picture), it would be a tad easier to balance.

Easier, mind you. Not easy. It would probably be easier to balance the MBT-70 for WWII than this thing.


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At this point why not?

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At this point i'd say no. The game is flooded with 2 types of tanks at the moment, High alpha/burst tanks and fast tanks. 

In my opinion WG should focus on adding content to extend the battle time. 


 

                             

 

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