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ColderRacer107 #1 Posted 14 October 2021 - 06:18 AM

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Good luck with 1 degrees of gun depression on the stock gun and 0 degrees on the fully upgraded gun. Also with bad accuracy and horrendous gun traverse.  Other people are struggling with this tank too, averaging likely below 2,000 damage per game for even some of the best players. Look at the combined damage vs tracked players and the 90 day standings for the Bär using the link below.

 

https://www.wotstars.com/xbox/11662445/tank/69137



Aoli7 #2 Posted 14 October 2021 - 09:21 AM

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This tank line should NOT be in the game. The game is all about speed, this line does not have speed or accuracy on its side. Pointless to have been added.

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View PostAoli7, on 14 October 2021 - 09:21 AM, said:

This tank line should NOT be in the game. The game is all about speed, this line does not have speed or accuracy on its side. Pointless to have been added.

 

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View PostAoli7, on 14 October 2021 - 04:21 AM, said:

This tank line should NOT be in the game. The game is all about speed, this line does not have speed or accuracy on its side. Pointless to have been added.

So every tank line added from now on should be made of fast and accurate tanks only? 


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I like this new line, im still at stug 33b,

the lobby is full of them and that makes it tough to play, 

400m/sec shell velocity will teach something to a few people, nice prep for the M113

The 5 is great once you play it like a light, (no spotters atm)

And 6.0 will sort out accuracy issues, and stop crying you cant use auto aim. So what if its not a plinky medium

 

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It’s actually 0* gun depression and 100% player depression

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View PostBrogueOne, on 14 October 2021 - 11:12 AM, said:

It’s actually 0* gun depression and 100% player depression

This is perhaps the most accurate comment you've made. 

 

It's just fat and sad. Not sad enough to have depression though, sadly. 


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I think the line is 4 years late. Shame TJ can't get his time machine to work.

The meta has left them very much behind.

Yesterday I actually got so bored of every match having 6 or 7 of the derps that I quit.

The initial fun of running a light soon wore thin as no one could hit what I was spotting with those guns from the back of the map.

 

As targets they as as easy as they come. Isolated they are as vulnerable as clickers.

 

So in a whizz bang battle, (99% of them) with auto-cannoned lights or tanks nimble enough to dodge, combined with an ingrained camping mentality, they are way outside the scope.

 

I have only endured a lucky blind shot and a one shot which was fair  in the circumstances given the risk I'd taken.

They're a problem in a group, but that'll end soon enough.

 

 


 

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View PostAoli7, on 14 October 2021 - 09:21 AM, said:

This tank line should NOT be in the game. The game is all about speed, this line does not have speed or accuracy on its side. Pointless to have been added.

If they added more lines with speed and accuracy into the game and nothing else it would just get exponentially worse. Not all players want to play this like the run and gun "rb/rt" while in cruise control shooter its become. Why not just give up on balance and remove all super heavies and slow heavily armoured tank destroyers just like tiers 1 and 2 were removed cos people want to play "real tanks".



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This line is a meme for sure. If you can dodge a wrench you can dodge a Sturmtiger Shell :-)

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They'll probably turn the splash damage dial all the way to 11 once the whiners on Discord get their way.

 

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The line makes no sense in a tank vs tank game. They were literally demolition tanks for demolishing buildings never intended for fighting other tanks so no wonder they are performing abysmally. I think I would have preferred some more merc tanks then these duds. 7,8 and 9 are practically merc tanks are they are more or less completely fictional.

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View Postamanwiththree, on 14 October 2021 - 12:11 PM, said:

They'll probably turn the splash damage dial all the way to 11 once the whiners on Discord get their way.

 

I'm not crying, tired of seeing people in game doing less than 100 damage and taking 6 shots.

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View PostAoli7, on 14 October 2021 - 12:41 PM, said:

 

I'm not crying, tired of seeing people in game doing less than 100 damage and taking 6 shots.

Don't blame the tank, blame the driver. It's a new unique tank line, do you expect people to dominate in the first week? You're 2nd most played tank is the V IV, probably used to playing op heaviums.


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View PostLargoGinganinja, on 14 October 2021 - 12:38 PM, said:

The line makes no sense in a tank vs tank game. They were literally demolition tanks for demolishing buildings never intended for fighting other tanks so no wonder they are performing abysmally. I think I would have preferred some more merc tanks then these duds. 7,8 and 9 are practically merc tanks are they are more or less completely fictional.

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View PostAoli7, on 14 October 2021 - 12:41 PM, said:

 

I'm not crying, tired of seeing people in game doing less than 100 damage and taking 6 shots.

 

I agree. I had 6 triple donuts on my side in BB's.

It got boring, I was tearing around dodging bombs and my idiots were trying to snipe in them from the back of the map on Steppes.

I did kill quite a few, but I felt like a one man band in some matches.

It'll be short lived.


 

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View PostLargoGinganinja, on 14 October 2021 - 12:38 PM, said:

The line makes no sense in a tank vs tank game. They were literally demolition tanks for demolishing buildings never intended for fighting other tanks so no wonder they are performing abysmally. I think I would have preferred some more merc tanks then these duds. 7,8 and 9 are practically merc tanks are they are more or less completely fictional.

The IX is actually rather well documented, and the VII and VIII are both based on real proposals.

The line is, surprisingly, completely historical. 


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View PostPanthergraf, on 14 October 2021 - 07:02 AM, said:

This line is a meme for sure. If you can dodge a wrench you can dodge a Sturmtiger Shell :-)

 

Some can, some cannot...

 


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Good luck with 1 degrees of gun depression on the stock gun and 0 degrees on the fully upgraded gun. Also with bad accuracy and horrendous gun traverse.  Other people are struggling with this tank too, averaging likely below 2,000 damage per game for even some of the best players. Look at the combined damage vs tracked players and the 90 day standings for the Bär using the link below.

 

https://www.wotstars.com/xbox/11662445/tank/69137

 

Looks like I'm the number 2 on that list. Glad to hear others are struggling with this tank. Not just me.

 

This tank has to be the worst tier by tier. Remember when tier IV Japanese Type 95 Heavy had something 30-40 mm of pen. It couldn't pen a single thing. Not even own tier tanks. Then they buffed it. If I remember correctly pen got doubled or something. The difference between these tanks are you could aim with Type 95 Heavy tanks but couldnt pen anything. With this Bär you cannot aim nothing. On the flat ground you cannot even shoot Russian heavies. Those tanks are too flat :D

 

In this configuration this tank will end up below 40% winrate. 1st tank to achieve so bad winrate? Even though Bär had 2 degrees of gun depression most players would struggle with it. But it would be playable. At the moment Bär is that brown and smelly thing.


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View PostRuhoo, on 14 October 2021 - 07:28 AM, said:

 

Looks like I'm the number 2 on that list. Glad to hear others are struggling with this tank. Not just me.

 

This tank has to be the worst tier by tier. Remember when tier IV Japanese Type 95 Heavy had something 30-40 mm of pen. It couldn't pen a single thing. Not even own tier tanks. Then they buffed it. If I remember correctly pen got doubled or something. The difference between these tanks are you could aim with Type 5 Heavy tanks but couldnt pen anything. With this Bär you cannot aim nothing. On the flat ground you cannot even shoot Russian heavies. Those tanks are too flat :D

 

In this configuration this tank will end up below 40% winrate. 1st tank to achieve so bad winrate? Even though Bär had 2 degrees of gun depression most players would struggle with it. But it would be playable. At the moment Bär is that brown and smelly thing.

 

I agree wholeheartedly with what you state.  I have been playing this tank for a few hours my stats are.  I also noticed that every game I am hunted by lights and mediums on arty patrol.  We are the new Arty and this tank is slower than most Arty's.  I also noticed not sure if this is just pure bad luck but match-making has me in every game with two enemy T92 HMC's and those are basically this thing but better they took me out early in the game I'm talking the first 2-4 mins. I am sure I will get better but daum this tank will take some time to sort of master. 

Battles   11
Wins        3
Winrate   18.18%
DR         0.41
KDR     0.30
Dmg     809
[edited]      118
Dmg+A    926
Kills    0.27
 





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