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ProvidentiaeMemo #1 Posted 14 October 2021 - 10:17 AM

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Hi Guys,

 

Frequently I encounter the following problem: I am in close contact battle with a light tank and using auto-aim and suddenly I am no longer able to use auto-aim while this damn light tank is still clearly visible in front of me and there is nothing interfering with a direct shot. The same thing happens in pursuit. I am pursuing an Armadildo, Object 930 or BMP and although these light tanks are clearly visible to me and closely in front of me my auto-aim function suddenly breaks off and I can no longer auto-aim. What is up with that? IMO anything that is within view range, clearly visible and absent of intervening objects should be auto-aimable - so why is this not the case? Thanks.

 

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If theirs no outline, they can't be autoaimed i think. They have to be spotted under normal means, so in those cases, you have to manually aim.

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True Vision and the traditional Spotting Mechanics operate independently… You can see the tanks with your eyes all the time with True Vision, but you cannot auto-lock or otherwise “see them” with outlines and target info unless they are officially detected by the Spotting Mechanics

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why are you autoaiming at lights?

 


 


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View PostDwarfOnDrugs, on 14 October 2021 - 10:31 AM, said:

why are you autoaiming at lights?

 

Do you play CW at all? The shell velocities are high enough that auto-lock can work  against some lights depending on range and heading.

 

 Also… autolock isn’t just for shooting… autolock is a tool to quickly snap your reticle onto a target so you can then zoom in for more precise aiming. It takes less time to tap R1 then L2 to zoom than it takes to fully swing the reticle manually onto that target… especially a moving target.  You need new drugs…



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View PostBrogueOne, on 14 October 2021 - 10:29 AM, said:

True Vision and the traditional Spotting Mechanics operate independently… You can see the tanks with your eyes all the time with True Vision, but you cannot auto-lock or otherwise “see them” with outlines and target info unless they are officially detected by the Spotting Mechanics

 

Thanks for your reply. I understand what you are saying but I do not understand how I am not spotting a light tank which is just a couple of meters in front of me trying to get away from me while I am chasing it. Why am I not spotting it?

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View PostProvidentiaeMemo, on 14 October 2021 - 02:03 PM, said:

 

Thanks for your reply. I understand what you are saying but I do not understand how I am not spotting a light tank which is just a couple of meters in front of me trying to get away from me while I am chasing it. Why am I not spotting it?

In the traditional spotting mechanics there is an auto-detection range of 50m where a tank will be spotted regardless.  Many of the Cold War light tanks have concealment values as-low-as 50m.



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View PostBrogueOne, on 14 October 2021 - 11:11 AM, said:

Do you play CW at all? The shell velocities are high enough that auto-lock can work  against some lights depending on range and heading.

 

 Also… autolock isn’t just for shooting… autolock is a tool to quickly snap your reticle onto a target so you can then zoom in for more precise aiming. It takes less time to tap R1 then L2 to zoom than it takes to fully swing the reticle manually onto that target… especially a moving target.  You need new drugs…

No i don’t play CW.

I can understand the R1 L2 thing but its not really going to work against mobile lights.


 


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View PostDwarfOnDrugs, on 14 October 2021 - 09:30 AM, said:

No i don’t play CW.

I can understand the R1 L2 thing but its not really going to work against mobile lights.

 

apparenlty it does, because i use the same method every game.    autolock to get on target. then zoom it or just move the recticle to lead as needed.    the only time this method does not work is when the reds are clumped together and autolock always tries to lock on to the one you dont want.

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View PostDwarfOnDrugs, on 14 October 2021 - 02:30 PM, said:

No i don’t play CW.

I can understand the R1 L2 thing but its not really going to work against mobile lights.

It partially works in CW due to the far higher shell velocities. 


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View PostBrogueOne, on 14 October 2021 - 02:11 PM, said:

In the traditional spotting mechanics there is an auto-detection range of 50m where a tank will be spotted regardless.  Many of the Cold War light tanks have concealment values as-low-as 50m.

 

Understood however IMO my not being able to auto-aim is frequently within the 50 meter range - so IMO I should be able to auto-aim but frequently can not as I apparently am not able to spot them although they are clearly visible in front of me at short range. I do not understand how it is possible when I can see tanks with true vision and they are within my spotting range I still do not spot these.

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View PostProvidentiaeMemo, on 14 October 2021 - 05:45 PM, said:

 

Understood however IMO my not being able to auto-aim is frequently within the 50 meter range - so IMO I should be able to auto-aim but frequently can not as I apparently am not able to spot them although they are clearly visible in front of me at short range. I do not understand how it is possible when I can see tanks with true vision and they are within my spotting range I still do not spot these.

There is (or should be) a small circle around your tank on your minimap.  It’s one of three circles (auto-detect, normal detection radius, and view range) that provides info there.  That smallest circle is 50m.



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View PostBrogueOne, on 14 October 2021 - 12:49 PM, said:

There is (or should be) a small circle around your tank on your minimap.  It’s one of three circles (auto-detect, normal detection radius, and view range) that provides info there.  That smallest circle is 50m.

The proxy-detection circle hasn't been on the map/mini-map since 6.0 unfortunately.

 

As for the op, every Era 2 light with the right setup can increase their camo rating to the point that they can only be proxy-spotted (which in CW is about 30m instead of the normal 50m), and unless they're detected (meaning they have their icon, health bar, and outline visible) you can't auto-lock on to them.


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Thanks everyone for your input which I appreciate. Nevertheless I still have the feeling that every vehicle you can actually see and that is within your view range should be then spotted and auto-aim should then function unless there is some obstacle between you and your target. I do not understand why this is not always so in the game. How can you physically see something which is also within your view range but then not spot it?

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You can highlight them by shooting them.

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View PostBrogueOne, on 14 October 2021 - 02:11 PM, said:

In the traditional spotting mechanics there is an auto-detection range of 50m where a tank will be spotted regardless.  Many of the Cold War light tanks have concealment values as-low-as 50m.

 

Auto-spot range in cold war is 30m.


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This I think is one of the mechanisms the Armadillo is able to abuse so effectively. It pops in and out of view even as it's circling you very close by.

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Today on the Stream,they said there is a camo net bug in CW that light tanks can take advantage of.  The bug allows them to go off targeting closer than what they are supposed to.

They are working on a fix.
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View PostBrogueOne, on 14 October 2021 - 02:11 PM, said:

In the traditional spotting mechanics there is an auto-detection range of 50m where a tank will be spotted regardless.  Many of the Cold War light tanks have concealment values as-low-as 50m.

 

 

I might add that I have noticed that even the remnants of a nearby popped smokescreen can still mess with your auto-locking...It'll start to swing onto target, then drop back into unlocked...Until one sees.the target-type icon over the tank, it usually means "Yes, it is there, but your gunner is too full of adrenaline to focus on it properly."

 

...Does that make sense?


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View PostMaxMiner11, on 15 October 2021 - 03:07 PM, said:

Today on the Stream,they said there is a camo net bug in CW that light tanks can take advantage of. The bug allows them to go off targeting closer than what they are supposed to.

They are working on a fix.

I didn't watch the stream, but I assume they're talking about the bug that makes advanced concealment and camo paint give a 50% larger boost to camo on Era 2 lights (and maybe TDs/tanks in general) than it does for Era 1 and 3 lights.


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