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It’s been a while. So let’s bring it back up. TVP 50/51.


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BigHundy81 #21 Posted 01 December 2021 - 07:31 PM

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The reload is .5 seconds longer on the machine and mobility is better on tvp.

not sure what you guys are on about.



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View PostFusionStar287, on 26 November 2021 - 07:05 PM, said:

The TVP's intra-clip reload is still one of the best in the game at 1.7s, and while I'm certainly not against returning that to 1.5s the difference between a 4.5s unload time and a 5.1s unload time is very small and usually irrelevant. I also know that the Machine has other advantages than what I mentioned, like its extra 300 health, much better ramming potential, and extra 2 degrees of gun depression; I just didn't mention them since I was pointing out that the TVP has advantages of its own.

 

Speaking of which, I don't think the T50/51's 20m better view range gives it a role, rather its vastly better mobility does. The TVP's significantly better acceleration let's it easily reach its top speed of 60kph along the flat or even up some slight inclines and with speed equipment/fuel that can be raised to 69-72kph, while the Machine struggles to go faster than about 50-55kph along the flat, loses much more speed when turning, is notably slower uphill, and is only ever faster when traveling downhill (or when conserving that speed along the flat afterwards until it has to turn sharply or slow down). In practice the TVP can shift around the battlefield notably faster than the Machine can, and when combined with its much faster traverse speeds and its other small advantages it does fill a role of its own. 

 

I suppose the main thing is the difference between 5.1s and 6s (The rate at which most other 4 shot autoloaders unload with a 2s intra-clip) is also not that high. At which point, why go for 1280 in 5.1s when you could have 1600 in 6s. 

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View PostBigHundy81, on 01 December 2021 - 07:31 PM, said:

The reload is .5 seconds longer on the machine and mobility is better on tvp.

not sure what you guys are on about.

 

The Machine unloads the shells .6 faster. In addition to less exposure time, the Machine has actual turret armor, and more gun depression. 

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View PostSl0wR3fl3x, on 01 December 2021 - 07:53 PM, said:

 

The Machine unloads the shells .6 faster. In addition to less exposure time, the Machine has actual turret armor, and more gun depression. 

 

I get that, but the OP said reload and they are basically the same. Intro clip means almost nothing when you still aren’t fully aimed in 1.7 seconds 

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View PostTempest fox3, on 01 December 2021 - 02:50 PM, said:

 

I suppose the main thing is the difference between 5.1s and 6s (The rate at which most other 4 shot autoloaders unload with a 2s intra-clip) is also not that high. At which point, why go for 1280 in 5.1s when you could have 1600 in 6s. 

That's fair, and frankly if I had to choose between the TVP's gun and something like the T57 Heavy's gun I'd choose the latter pretty much every time. That said, while the T57's gun is undoubtably better the T57 is also a significantly slower/less mobile machine and combined with its complete lack of camo rating the T57 can't scout, flank, or reposition anywhere near as well as the TVP can. That's also the only other gun (besides the Machine's gun, obviously) that's all that comparable to the TVP's gun, as the AMX 50B and Kranvagn both have much longer intra-clip reloads and regular reloads along with their other varied pros and cons in comparison. 


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