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Wookie Shanker #21 Posted 06 May 2014 - 12:11 PM

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There is no slogan for WoT saying that its a game of Historical tanks pitted against one another.
The game COULD take a step out of the World war era and into the Cold, And modern? This is possible. 

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Can i just say it is a GAME. You guys are making way too big a deal over a game. WG had always said that many of the tanks were never created in history. This is nothing new. I Don't imagine you post this in forums for every other game That is based on military either current or historical.

 

                                                                                                

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View PostWookie Shanker, on 06 May 2014 - 07:11 AM, said:

There is no slogan for WoT saying that its a game of Historical tanks pitted against one another.
The game COULD take a step out of the World war era and into the Cold, And modern? This is possible. 

 

Except for the licensing issues for using tanks still under production



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Check this out ;)

 

 

Wargaming's primary focus is to make sure tanks accurately portrait in game.  We are lucky to have tank historians as well as tank engineers to assist in the development of tank design.  :D

 

The design team also has the luxury to include tanks that never saw the battle field, prototypes or simple tanks that never made mass production.


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View PostRaiBOT01, on 06 May 2014 - 11:52 AM, said:

 

 

 

Wargaming's primary focus is to make sure tanks accurately portrait.  We are lucky to have tank historians as well as tank engineers to assist in the development of tank design.  :D

Is WG still sitting around 97% historical accuracy according to the historians and experts?


 

                                                                                                

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97% historical accuracy? Perhaps, in terms of tank design, but not in terms of tank performance.

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View PostIndyJarhead, on 06 May 2014 - 10:54 AM, said:

Is WG still sitting around 97% historical accuracy according to the historians and experts?


I know it to be so, but I did ask both Executive producer and Lead Designer and they both said yes.  :3


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"Fake" is a bit of a stretch. I mean, the blue prints for many of these tanks existed. Regardless, I wish people would stop trying to interject “historical accuracy” into a T-rated video game. This isn’t a tank simulator. WG has done an awesome job of balancing these tanks out well to make for an exciting experience, and we should accept that for what it is.



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View PostRaiBOT01, on 06 May 2014 - 12:11 PM, said:


I know it to be so, but I did ask both Executive producer and Lead Designer and they both said yes.  :3

Thank you. I know this was a very big deal they were proud of when i played this on PC for a couple years. Personally i love the tanks. Just really looking forward to some more lol


 

                                                                                                

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View PostIndyJarhead, on 06 May 2014 - 11:15 AM, said:

Thank you. I know this was a very big deal they were proud of when i played this on PC for a couple years. Personally i love the tanks. Just really looking forward to some more lol


No problem! And yes, there will be more and more tanks! :D  The development team works really hard to make sure tanks are as they should be and we most definitely appreciate that tankers like yourself appreciate the work!


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View PostWookie Shanker, on 06 May 2014 - 05:11 AM, said:

There is no slogan for WoT saying that its a game of Historical tanks pitted against one another.
The game COULD take a step out of the World war era and into the Cold, And modern? This is possible.

 

just like with the OLD PANZER ELITE tank game...... The issue would be EVERYONE whining about "THE GERMANS" Nothing the Americans had during WW2 could go Toe to Toe with a Tiger much less a King Tiger. The development tanks seem to be to even the scale. Also the German optics were way better, this game puts everyone one the same level and the TANKER is the one to make the battle difference,



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I have watched that Wargaming Documentary and from what I saw it seems that WG extensively researchs all they can....from taking known models still in existance and going down to even recording that particular tanks track noise as it rolls....to coming archives of different nations for tanks that were prototype only or blue print only tanks....

If we only used equipment that actually went into production and saw battle we would have some awefully small tech tree's......


 

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View PostProzog, on 06 May 2014 - 01:47 PM, said:

 

just like with the OLD PANZER ELITE tank game...... The issue would be EVERYONE whining about "THE GERMANS" Nothing the Americans had during WW2 could go Toe to Toe with a Tiger much less a King Tiger. The development tanks seem to be to even the scale. Also the German optics were way better, this game puts everyone one the same level and the TANKER is the one to make the battle difference,

Well said sir. I think sometimes there is confusion when people hear things like “historical portrait” of a tank and extend that to mean more than it really means. “Historical portrait” of a tank means just that: it looks like the tank it represents; it‘s historically accurate APPEARNACE wise. But one should not make the mistake of some how extending that to mean these tanks perform in a historically accurate way. The game wasn't designed for that.



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View PostX L1V3 0R D13 X, on 06 May 2014 - 11:59 AM, said:

Well said sir. I think sometimes there is confusion when people hear things like “historical portrait” of a tank and extend that to mean more than it really means. “Historical portrait” of a tank means just that: it looks like the tank it represents; it‘s historically accurate APPEARNACE wise. But one should not make the mistake of some how extending that to mean these tanks perform in a historically accurate way. The game wasn't designed for that.

 

Plus the tiger itself is a bad example of a tank that was nerfed from its historical basis. The thing rips Shermans to pieces, laughs at US 75mm, 6lber, and Soviet 3 inch rounds and can only be penned by the US 3 inch round at super-close range if they're lucky. Hell, it even bounces a lot of high-velocity rounds like it did.



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Wonder if this E-100 is real or fake?

 


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View PostTheMEagle, on 06 May 2014 - 02:08 PM, said:

 

Plus the tiger itself is a bad example of a tank that was nerfed from its historical basis. The thing rips Shermans to pieces, laughs at US 75mm, 6lber, and Soviet 3 inch rounds and can only be penned by the US 3 inch round at super-close range if they're lucky. Hell, it even bounces a lot of high-velocity rounds like it did.

Yes but Tigers were also known to one-shot Shermans from 1000Ms away, but that is not possible in this game as the damage in this game is based on a numbers balance and not on any real life performance--as I've alluded to before. A Tiger in this game can’t one-shot a fully healthy Sherman from that distance as the Sherman has 700 hit points. All I am saying is that the historical “portrait” of a tank is different from the historical “portrayal” of a tank.



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View PostX L1V3 0R D13 X, on 06 May 2014 - 12:20 PM, said:

Yes but Tigers were also known to one-shot Shermans from 1000Ms away, but that is not possible in this game as the damage in this game is based on a numbers balance and not on any real life performance--as I've alluded to before. A Tiger in this game can’t one-shot a fully healthy Sherman from that distance as the Sherman has 700 hit points. All I am saying is that the historical “portrait” of a tank is different from the historical “portrayal” of a tank.

 

And an IS with the top gun can't 1-shot a Tiger either. It's not an effect of historic nerfing, it's the fact that time-to-kill is much longer in this game than for real tanks. (The Tiger can actually 2-shot an M4 though with decent damage rolls)



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View PostTheMEagle, on 06 May 2014 - 12:27 PM, said:

 

And an IS with the top gun can't 1-shot a Tiger either. It's not an effect of historic nerfing, it's the fact that time-to-kill is much longer in this game than for real tanks. (The Tiger can actually 2-shot an M4 though with decent damage rolls)


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View PostTheMEagle, on 06 May 2014 - 02:27 PM, said:

 

And an IS with the top gun can't 1-shot a Tiger either. It's not an effect of historic nerfing, it's the fact that time-to-kill is much longer in this game than for real tanks. (The Tiger can actually 2-shot an M4 though with decent damage rolls)

“The Tiger can actually 2-shot an M4 though with decent damage rolls”, which lends to my point that the game is based on a numbers balance and not on any real life performance. If a Tiger--or any tank for that matter--can't perform in this game like it could in real life due to game limitations it proves the game isn't historically accurate, that is all I am saying. Not a complaint, just a fact.






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