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steve2pies #21 Posted 19 June 2014 - 04:45 PM

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Can somebody tell me, does a tier III premium level up crew quicker than a stock tier VI

 


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View Poststeve2pies, on 19 June 2014 - 12:45 PM, said:

Can somebody tell me, does a tier III premium level up crew quicker than a stock tier VI

 


I think crew XP is just based on Tank XP gained, so its based on ingame performance and not as much on the actual Tank used.

That said, Premium crews, just like Elite crews, get accelerated XP gains, so they'll always level up faster than "Regular" tanks.

 

I believe its 50% faster...



Sovietdeath #23 Posted 20 June 2014 - 05:40 AM

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View Poststeve2pies, on 19 June 2014 - 12:45 PM, said:

Can somebody tell me, does a tier III premium level up crew quicker than a stock tier VI

 

Overall yes as long as you do well. Once that tier 6 is Elite however it will gain the same bonus as the premium tank. And possibly earn more XP per game simply because of being in a higher tier.



OuterChimp7 #24 Posted 20 June 2014 - 01:22 PM

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I tried this last night and got it to work.  Took me a couple of times to get it just right though.  If it costs you money to move a crew to train then you are doing it wrong. 

 

I wish I had known this when I first started, but now that I do it is a great concept and thanks again for posting it SovietDeath.



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Question because I own over a dozen tanks, but no premiums:

 

When I take the normal tank crew and put it to a premium (3rd step), does the crew stay at 100% or does it drop to 80% like other non-gold transfers? If yes, do you need to get it back to 100% before putting it back to the normal tank? Or will that crew always be 100% trained on all tanks as long as you follow the regular to premium and back rule (7th step)?

 

If I bought a brand new normal tank and paid silver for 80% xfer, can I use it right away on a premium to boost the crew to 100%, or must it be fully trained on the normal tank first?

 

I have read about having to pay 1 time for the xfer when using premiums. Is that only when taking an initial premium crew and putting it to a normal tank (point 3)?



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I was just starting my Soviet  line when I read this post. I have the T127 and tried this and its great.

I will have to spend some coin to get my other lines in order but this was a fantastic post. 

 

Thanks  from a Noob by Nature

Now we need a Perk post so I don't waste time training perks that are useless or have to spend 10 gold to change them.

 

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View PostStonedbones, on 20 June 2014 - 09:48 AM, said:

Question because I own over a dozen tanks, but no premiums:

 

When I take the normal tank crew and put it to a premium (3rd step), does the crew stay at 100% or does it drop to 80% like other non-gold transfers? If yes, do you need to get it back to 100% before putting it back to the normal tank? Or will that crew always be 100% trained on all tanks as long as you follow the regular to premium and back rule (7th step)?

 

If I bought a brand new normal tank and paid silver for 80% xfer, can I use it right away on a premium to boost the crew to 100%, or must it be fully trained on the normal tank first?

 

I have read about having to pay 1 time for the xfer when using premiums. Is that only when taking an initial premium crew and putting it to a normal tank (point 3)?

 

Question 1:Any transfer into a premium tank from a non premium tank is a free transfer with no loss in training thus why its very very useful 

 

Question 2:You can immediately transfer it to begin training to 100% since its a free transfer to premium tanks

 

Question 3:Only with the initial premium tank crew to a non premium tank (you may wanna keep a list of who is trained for which tech tree tank unless you keep your premium tanks empty for easier management)



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This is the most effective way to train crews. I've been doing this daily since crews were introduced and it really helps during the bonus weekends. Kudos to taking the time to share it.

Std. Tanks- Hellcat, T29, GwPanther, T-54 Ltwt, Pershing, AMX 50 100, IS-3, T49, Ru251, AMX13 90, M46 Patton, T-54, Obj. 430 II, E-75, M53/55, T-100 LT, M48 Patton, Cent. AX, E-50M, Leo 1, T-62a, Obj. 140, Obj. 430, Obj. 430U, T57 Heavy, T110E5, FV215b, Chieftain, S.Conq, E-100, AMX 50B, IS-7, IS-4, T110E4, T110E3, JPE-100, T92, GwE-100, B-C 155 58, Obj 261

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View Postabhiop741, on 08 June 2014 - 05:13 AM, said:

Interesting method but a too big job for me : I have more than 100 tanks ! So I just recruit new crew with 80% training for my new tanks and never move the crew afterwards. So only the crew of my premium that I play most (IS-6, KV-5, Jagdtiger 8.8 cm, T-34 Heavy, Löwe, Super Pershing, T-23) are correctly trained and have between 4 and 7 abilities !

You could really benefit from those perks you already have by placing them in your leading grind tanks. Then when you unlock the next tank, move the perked crew up a tier and replace it with a 75% crew... And when you go to play your premiums, borrow those same perked out crews. Just a bit of advice as it really provides more use of what you already have.


Std. Tanks- Hellcat, T29, GwPanther, T-54 Ltwt, Pershing, AMX 50 100, IS-3, T49, Ru251, AMX13 90, M46 Patton, T-54, Obj. 430 II, E-75, M53/55, T-100 LT, M48 Patton, Cent. AX, E-50M, Leo 1, T-62a, Obj. 140, Obj. 430, Obj. 430U, T57 Heavy, T110E5, FV215b, Chieftain, S.Conq, E-100, AMX 50B, IS-7, IS-4, T110E4, T110E3, JPE-100, T92, GwE-100, B-C 155 58, Obj 261

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View PostGIXXERCON 13, on 21 June 2014 - 07:54 PM, said:

This is the most effective way to train crews. I've been doing this daily since crews were introduced and it really helps during the bonus weekends. Kudos to taking the time to share it.

 

Yeah I've shared it on my live streams a few times but haven't taken the time to explain it out. Thought I'd try it here before making a video bout it



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I've read elsewhere on this forum that there's currently a penalty for using "Wrong-Class Crews", like heavy crews in an arty, and it's pretty substantial(25% worse ank performance, 50% worse xp?)....

 

with that being the case, does that outweigh the benefits even of this premium-switch now? I've been using my KV-1S crew in a light premium tank for a few days now to try and help boost their training levels...



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View Postleova, on 22 June 2014 - 03:46 AM, said:

I've read elsewhere on this forum that there's currently a penalty for using "Wrong-Class Crews", like heavy crews in an arty, and it's pretty substantial(25% worse ank performance, 50% worse xp?)....

 

with that being the case, does that outweigh the benefits even of this premium-switch now? I've been using my KV-1S crew in a light premium tank for a few days now to try and help boost their training levels...

Actually I made  a point with this in my 3rd step though hopefully it will be fixed in a later update (its a known bug) but in case u missed it here is the 3rd step of my op

 

3rd: transfer this crew member to a premium tank "for best results choose a Soviet  premium heavy tank (for now there is a 25% penalty for xp earned if you are not using a premium of the same class)

 

You may earn 25% less while training on a premium of a different class but if you get your x2 bonus for the day on that battle you are still making 150% of what you would normally earn on a vehicle of the same class 

 

here is nyx's original findings on the crew xp errors

View PostNyx WGA, on 02 June 2014 - 06:59 PM, said:

Many players have expressed that their crews were not correctly earning crew XP. We have completed a detailed investigation into crew XP earning to determine if there was a problem. The results of the investigation are:

 

  • For Premium tanks, crews from different tank classes are earning crew XP at a 25% lower rate than crews from the same tank class. This is mirrored from PC, however it was not our original intention.
  • Elite tanks are earning too much crew XP due to a math bug.  They currently earn 2X crew XP on top of normal tank XP.

 

This explains why players felt their premium tanks were “broken” when they compared to elite tanks. The premium tanks are earning correctly, and have been all along. The elite tank earnings are far higher than they should be, which made the premiums seem incorrect by comparison.

 

We won’t be taking away any XP earned on the elites due to the math error, but we will be correcting the rate of earning on the elites going forward. In the next update, elite tanks will be corrected to earn the appropriate amount of crew XP. At the same time, the 25% penalty for training a crew that is not the same tank class will be removed from premiums.

 

Please note these changes will not go into effect with Soviet Steel. Changes will be made in the next title update (date not yet set), not the content update that occurs approximately eight hours from now.

 


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View Postleova, on 22 June 2014 - 03:46 AM, said:

I've been using my KV-1S crew in a light premium tank for a few days now to try and help boost their training levels...

Plenty of members do... And so have I ever since selling the Chaffee. I use my premium lights to re-100% my crews once I transfer them. 

Example: Transfer a crew from the T32 heavy to the M103 heavy for 100k silver leaving it at 80% tank proficiency. Before even playing a single match in the M103, this is what I would do... Transfer the crew between as many American premiums as needed until it's back at 100% so I get the most effective daily multiplier to help my grind.


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Add to the deposit of information here, apparently based on what I read in another thread, you can take the 100% crew that the premium comes with and leave the plus which indicates you may select a skill for a handful of rounds while you pre-train, sacrificing some crew XP that you would get in a skill/perk there in the premie instead of grinding to proficiency from 75 or 80 per cent.  I have *not* tried this, so I don't want to get blamed if you try it and it doesn't work. 

 

I also have something to ask, are your 100 proficient crews all equally proficient in a premium tank, regardless of what class they come from?  Does a crew you recruited @50% to a LTraktor with 100 % mastery of the LTraktor get the same basic skill in a JgTig.8,8 cm as a new premium 100% mastery crew that came with it ( assume bundled ), both not having skills?  Rather than asking if it's the same, what I really mean is "should it be the same?"



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View PostFATAL ASSERTION, on 24 June 2014 - 09:16 PM, said:

Add to the deposit of information here, apparently based on what I read in another thread, you can take the 100% crew that the premium comes with and leave the plus which indicates you may select a skill for a handful of rounds while you pre-train, sacrificing some crew XP that you would get in a skill/perk there in the premie instead of grinding to proficiency from 75 or 80 per cent.  I have *not* tried this, so I don't want to get blamed if you try it and it doesn't work. 

 

*** I usually grind out the 1st skill on a premium tank if the tank comes with a 100% crew (always Mentor) before I transfer them to another tank for silver then since skills remain active I have them remaster their tank quickly then proceed with my normal procedures.***

 

 

I also have something to ask, are your 100 proficient crews all equally proficient in a premium tank, regardless of what class they come from?  Does a crew you recruited @50% to a LTraktor with 100 % mastery of the LTraktor get the same basic skill in a JgTig.8,8 cm as a new premium 100% mastery crew that came with it ( assume bundled ), both not having skills?  Rather than asking if it's the same, what I really mean is "should it be the same?"

 

*** This one requires more testing but since I normally don't train this way because of the current penalty to crew XP in regards to other classes I cannot tell you if there is any performance hits. I can tell you however that if there is it would probably be about 25% max which isn't really that bad lol *but I have 2 premium lights for Germany so its a null issue for me***

 

 

 

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View PostFATAL ASSERTION, on 24 June 2014 - 09:16 PM, said:

I also have something to ask, are your 100 proficient crews all equally proficient in a premium tank, regardless of what class they come from? 

 100% crew will have a 25% statistical performance penalty in ANY premium or regular tank if the tank type is NOT the same as the initial tank it was recruited to.

 

I have been working on getting a definitive answer from WG about this penalty for several weeks and was recently acknowledged as a flaw in this post and will be fixed in the next patch along with the 25% XP penalty for mixing crew type with tank type.

 

Super Pershing with a 7.32 fire rate turns into an 8.196 second reload time.

•With vents, shell rammer and BIA the time drops to  8.196 * 0.875 / ( 0.00375 * 121 + 0.5)= 6.76 second calculated reload.

What I did was average a dozen consecutive timed shots with each crew type in the Super Pershing and these are the results from mismatching crew type. Bear in mind that my observed times are a variable and cannot be perfect but you'll see the obvious difference...

When using a medium crew that I recruited directly to the Super Pershing my observed average reload time was 6.8 seconds.
When using a heavy crew (taken from a T34) my observed time dropped to 7.66 seconds
Third and final was a light crew (taken from an M5 Stewart) and my observed reload time was7.68

 

So on a hunch I factored in a 25% penalty and look at the result  8.196 * 0.875 / ( 0.00375 * 90.75 + 0.5)= 7.68 second reload

 

I've tested this on many standard tanks and works out to a 25% penalty on every crew dependent stat from accuracy of a shot to view range.

My T23 medium crew> T20> Hellcat> T25/2> T28P> T30> T110E4 

The T110E4 still suffers from a 25% statistical penalty, but when I play that crew in the T23 medium or Super Pershing medium the stats are normal. This proves that whatever type of tank a crew was initially recruited to, will always have a 25% penalty unless it's in that same initial type.

 


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View PostSovietdeath, on 08 June 2014 - 03:11 AM, said:

Before we begin I will point out a few important points

 

1)Premium tanks can only train crews of the SAME NATION.

 

2) Moving a crew to a premium tank of the same nation is free and moving that crew back to its original tank is free.

 

3) If a premium tank already came with a crew you will have to pay silver or gold to transfer him to a NON-Premium tank the 1st time (Now this crew will treat that tank as its "original" tank and can move between the premium and itself for free.

 

Now that those are taken care of let's get to the best way to train a crew

 

1st : always make sure your premium tanks DO Not have any crew in them (makes managing them a lot easier)

 

2nd: choose a main tank crew to train (for our example I will be using a KV-1 crew)

 

3rd: transfer this crew member to a premium tank "for best results choose a Soviet  premium heavy tank (for now there is a 25% penalty for xp earned if you are not using a premium of the same class)

 

4th play till you earn your x2 for 1st victory

 

5th transfer crew to next Soviet premium tank (this will be a free transfer)

 

6th repeat steps 4-5 till all x2 of your Soviet Premiums are exhausted

 

7th Transfer the crew back to its original tank (KV-1) this will be a free transfer

 

8th Repeat 1-7 Everyday

 

9th and final watch crew skills train quite quickly and profit

 

Comments and concerns are appreciated but please be constructive if possible

 

F*%#ing awesome post Sovietdeath. I know just what tanks to implement this on. Respect. :honoring:



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I would say gixxer nailed it in terms of providing definitive proof through controlldd tests and analysis, very useful response.


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View PostSovietdeath, on 08 June 2014 - 01:11 AM, said:

Before we begin I will point out a few important points

 

1)Premium tanks can only train crews of the SAME NATION.

 

2) Moving a crew to a premium tank of the same nation is free and moving that crew back to its original tank is free.

 

3) If a premium tank already came with a crew you will have to pay silver or gold to transfer him to a NON-Premium tank the 1st time (Now this crew will treat that tank as its "original" tank and can move between the premium and itself for free.

 

Now that those are taken care of let's get to the best way to train a crew

 

1st : always make sure your premium tanks DO Not have any crew in them (makes managing them a lot easier)

 

2nd: choose a main tank crew to train (for our example I will be using a KV-1 crew)

 

3rd: transfer this crew member to a premium tank "for best results choose a Soviet  premium heavy tank (for now there is a 25% penalty for xp earned if you are not using a premium of the same class)

 

4th play till you earn your x2 for 1st victory

 

5th transfer crew to next Soviet premium tank (this will be a free transfer)

 

6th repeat steps 4-5 till all x2 of your Soviet Premiums are exhausted

 

7th Transfer the crew back to its original tank (KV-1) this will be a free transfer

 

8th Repeat 1-7 Everyday

 

9th and final watch crew skills train quite quickly and profit

 

Comments and concerns are appreciated but please be constructive if possible

 

Just wanted to point out a few things:

1st Great post and good job of sharing with others.

2nd To make it quite clear.....there is currently a known issue with how the Elite and Premium Tanks are calculating Crew Experience. This is one of the main focuses of the next patch, per WG.

3rd If you take a regular tank crew and put it into a premium there is no fee. As long as you haven't placed another crew into the original tank, putting the original crew is free to place back into tank. (I've noticed there are references to this, but are not specifically answered, or are in a way that leaves some doubt).

4th Once the patch is put into place, XP will be higher for Premium Tanks than for Elite Tanks and there will be no penalty for cross tank crews. Which brings me to 

5th If you plan on purchasing a new Tank up the Tech tree, play the Elite Tank directly below it until the Skill/Perk you're working on is at 100%. Without selecting it's new Skill/Perk, play about 7 or 8 more battles. Then Purchase the New Tank and Assign that Crew to your new tank. Believe it or not, you will be at 100%, or close to it when making the next tank it's home crew. If the Elite tank is one that you want to keep, use a different tank you intend on selling, to do the same thing, otherwise transfer the crew and sell the old tank (either way you will be selling a tank). Finally

6th See 1st.


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View PostNomad2001, on 27 June 2014 - 12:25 AM, said:

4th Once the patch is put into place, XP will be higher for Premium Tanks than for Elite Tanks and there will be no penalty for cross tank crews.

 

 

Actually you are wrong with this Elite and Premium tanks are going to earn the same amount of Crew XP per battle after the patch as mentioned in the XP findings post by nyx the Elite Tanks currently earn 2x Crew XP on top of what the Crew receives from Tank XP earned

 

Example: Tank XP earned 1000

 

Basic idea of Formula 

(1000x2)+1000= 3000 crew xp

Should be (same as premiums)

1000x2= 2000 crew xp 






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