This post is an amalgam of comments, presented as a summary interpretation of the German “rebalance” within update 1.3 based upon other posts I have made upon this subject. This is conclusive, so I don't need to post anymore on this subject after this as it is cathartic.
As you may know, I am extremely disappointed and shocked at the level of unbalance within this feature release. It appears that you took the 8.8 PC release and followed it to the T for tanks such as the VK 36, but for all other tanks, you adopted the nerfs and omitted nearly all of the buffs. Perhaps this is the part 1 of a greater plan using the 8.8 as a template and you ran out of time? We don’t know because you do not communicate these things to us. All we have to go on are the incomplete release notes you delivered yesterday with no mention by your staff of a greater roadmap.
I want to be perfectly clear as to the purpose of this post. I understand the concept of refactoring. Tanks need to be changed for the sake of balance. The purpose of this post is to point out the half-assed implementation of these changes as they apply to the German line. There are two distinct categories of people within this community. Ones who say the PC is the working template for things to come (Team PC), and those who say the 360 has Carte Blanche freedom to choose their own path (Team 360). When Team 360 calls fowl, Team PC reads the stats from the 8.8+ release and starts throwing out Terms and Conditions in their defense. When Team PC cries foul, Team 360 claims that WGA has full license to do what they want. This is a recursive situation, only WGA knows their roadmap. We are all speculating the intentions and future of this game. All I am doing is pointing out the facts as given to us by the developers as they pertain to the German line in release 1.3.
· Missed Opportunity
1.3 was an opportunity for you to take your own path, Team 360 or converge on the Team PC path. It appears you did both, but only with the downgrades effecting the German line. I offer you an analogy to chess and checkers. Chess contains unique pieces that all have unique performance qualities. That is one of the reasons it is a great game, diversity. No rational person would consider homogenizing functions on the Queen, rook or bishop like restricting their movement to one space. Tanks is filled with unique pieces. Yesterday you normalized the VK 36 and turned it towards the Jumbo side of town. You followed the 8.8 path towards mediocrity. But, when all pieces have been homogenized, you are left with checkers. Your journey towards the PC is not yet complete though, you forgot all of the balancing factors as they pertain to the German tanks. These include, but are not limited to: ROF increases, traverse increases, view range increases and gun depression improvements. If you are converging on the Team PC path, you missed a huge piece of the 8.8 update. If you are diverging towards the Team 360 path, the opportunity not to destroy the VK 36 was lost.
· British Equivelent
Of course, most of the negative backlash came from the German tanker community starting yesterday. We would expect it when our entire garage was downgraded with a single update. But I would expect no different behavior if WGA happened to say nerf the front armor of the entire AT series with no balancing buffs to counter the nerfs. Would the Brit Tankers be upset? Of course they would. For the sake of a great game I would support the in their cause because balance would be lost. Categorically nerfing an entire line is not fair play, nor is it good mojo. If you don’t understand the disappointment and shock we German tankers have, imagine your entire garage nerfed.
· Critical of the Release Notes
As stated before, the release notes are not the equivalent of the 8.8 release except where the nerfs are concerned. There are a handful of buffs, but in comparison, we are talking 95% nerf and 5% buff. In other places, the notes are just plain wrong, take the very first line of the German notes, Ammunition:
· Pzgr. 41 StK armor damage increase by 30
· Pzgr. 41 HK armor damage increased by 30
Right off the bat, this is wrong. Both of these shells are associated with the VK Konish gun, the correct term is "decrease", not "increase". The previous alpha was 165 and now it is 135. So telling us this is an increase is a major oversight.
· VK 36.01 (H)
You guys destroyed this tank. Slower, less damage (see Konish notes above). Increased hit points are lipstick on this pig. Missing ROF increase and gun depression increase parallel to 8.8. Basically all nerf and no buff. You missed the opportunity to balance out the nerf they did in 8.8 but followed it to a T. But since we are using 8.8 as a template for the VK in 1.3...
· Pz.Kpfw. VI Tiger and Beyond
There is a pattern here, but i will address the concerns most of us hard-core German tankers are experiencing. You guys nerfed all of the engines and tried to make up for it in weight reductions, some have increases. This tank is slower, therefore it has been nerfed. The armor decreases are an insult to an already poor-performing tier VII. Before the Great German Nerf, this tank was inferior in almost every way to the T-29. Making it slower and taking away side armor is ridiculous when you forgot to buff it with some balancing factor. No ROF increase, no gun depression improvements, no aim time improvements, small trade-offs in front and back turret armor. But lets not kid ourselves, this wasn't an OP tier VII to begin with.
The summary you gave us in the notes is basically one huge engine nerf to the entire German line. For the sake of balance, the 8.8 update included some buffs to the aforementioned specs. 1.3 contains almost none of these buffs and that is why people who run German tanks exclusively are pissed off. Categorically, almost every tank in my garage has been negatively effected with poorer performing engines. I don't know what the expectations were when you put these changes together? You guys followed the nerf of the VK 36 all the way and then only took the negatives from the 8.8 template and applied them to all the rest of the line. You categorically degraded an entire nation of tanks in the name of "balance", congratulations? This was neither Team PC or Team 360, this was Team Anti-German Tank.
· What next?
I currently have 4,555 battles on WoT 360. That comes to roughly 25 battles on average per day. I would may be called a hard core WoT fan, perhaps even an addict. On top of that, I am the 1% Wallet Warrior. Guys like me pay the “free” bill for those who are unable or unwilling to shell out money toward this game. I have purchased all of the German Premium tanks to date less the Lowe. I have given financial support to friends of mine who wanted to dig into this game but were unable to do so at that time. Why? Because I believed this game, so far has been fun, fair and balanced. My time with WoT has been well spent, even if they turned my V/IV into a Pz. III, I would consider the money I spent to date as a very well worth it. I don’t want any sort of refunds nor do I think I am entitled to any. I do want my lost premium ammo to be compensated if I choose to continue to play, but that is a lesser concern of mine. My concern is balance moving forward. I am not going to play with handicapped tanks until the this balance is complete.
I am pausing now at 4,555 battles until I am satisfied that WGA has a viable plan to bring balance back to the tanks in my garage. If there is a plan to finish the parallel implementation to the 8.8 release, that is great, I want to know that this is the intention of WGA, to follow Team PC. To tell you quite honestly, it would make everything much easier. We would know exactly what is coming. The limbo some of us are in right now, is that we don’t know. We speculate that they will finish the refactor of the German tanks, but no statement to that effect has been officially made by any WGA official. Team PC says yes, Team 360 says no. What is the truth?
But one thing is certain, I won’t play until this is sorted out. I want my confidence in WGA restored. As of right now, my financial support for this game and company has halted. Until yesterday, I was ready to purchase the Panther/M10 and was going to convert available XP to the tune of $125 to jump right to the Waffentrager upon its release. But what is the point? Why pay money for these tanks if WGA can destroy their best qualities on a whim and without notice? If WGA is going to follow Team PC, that is totally cool, DO IT! Follow Team PC, give us the balance that 8.8 had in their equivalent release, not this half-implemented, glass half empty garbage you dumped on us German tankers yesterday. If 1.3 is WGA’s divergent path towards Team 360, and there is no plan to balance out the German line, I respectfully choose to walk away.
My vitriol has been expressed. I fell all of my opinions on this subject have been documented. I am cool with whatever comes next. Catharsis. Just fill this void with lovely, delicious bacon, at the very least, a picture of bacon will suffice.
· 10 July 2014 Update: Everyone Agrees, 1.3 did not BUFF the German Line
Since the update, there has been not one (1) serious, quantitative forum post that update 1.3. was a buff to the German Line. It is the overwhelming consensus on the forums and within the data given by WGA that this was a sum total NERF to the German Line.
The real argument is to what degree did this nerf effect the German Line?
Two opposing camps have emerged, one extreme side says, “You ruined all the German tanks.” The other extreme side says, “The nerfs were so negligible, the German tanks were virtually unaffected.” The real truth is probably somewhere in between.
Make no mistake though, not a single valid post is claiming that the German line wasn’t nerfed. The argument now is to what degree. Now that the quantitative analysis shows that the Germans have been nerfed, people are putting in place tank-by-tank descriptions of their qualitative experiences with each of these tanks.
As of right now, I still hold the position that WGA should round out these nerfs with the expected buffs that were put in place in equity to the 8.8 update for the PC. This would solve both sides of the argument:
1. People who believe that the German tanks were ruined would have consolation that the equity buffs from 8.8 are in place to balance out the nerfs.
2. People who claim that the nerfs were negligible will probably agree that the buffs are as well.
Simplest solution to shut everyone up is to follow through with the 8.8 transition and add the missing buffs.
· 11 July 2014 Update: Financial Embargo Still in Effect
WGA has chosen not to address this issue, despite this thread being on top of the forums for three days. There are still many unanswered questions and many people have put fourth very compelling arguments. But as originally stated, my faith in this company has waned. I will not be spending any money on tanks such as the Panther/M10, nor on converting experience for quick advancement to the Waffentrager, until WGA puts fourth the time and energy to analyze and respond in kind to the collective concerns put fourth in this thread.
· 11 July 2014 (Late Night) Update: Good News
Nyx WGA has responded and will be addressing this topic when he meets with the development team Monday. He will be digging into the details and has offered dig into the "why" these changes were made. This should shed light on the subject and hopefully put an end to this post.
· 17 July 2014: There is a very bright side.
Without saying so, it appears that you (WGA) acknowledges that we are not crazy and that our voice on this thread had merit. The degree of merit perhaps is debatable, it has obviously been debated here for a week. Regardless, you are looking into a solution. For that I am thankful you hear our voice on this subject. We live in an unfortunate world where the loudest complaints get the most attention. I hope that the presentation of our opinion was more useful than hurtful. Thank you for listening.
The two solutions you are debating internally are both acceptable to me. I can see how this may be difficult to decide upon, a revert to 1.2 may be simpler and faster to implement now, but what is the long play? I think from a user, a merge towards parity with the PC would be easier to understand. Wikis would match up, future implementations would not come as a surprise, etc. But you guys at WGA may lose something, something very important, and that is the freedom to make decisions on the metrics that you believe in. What if in the future you don't agree with the nerf of the 183? What then? If you take the path to the PC you will be bounded by their decisions. If you take your own path, you may be forced with similar passionate postings like this one. Your situation is a really difficult one and I really feel bad about contributing towards it. But in the long run, I believe the game will be better for it.
On any respect, I am very satisfied that this is being handled. My perceived balance will be achieved with either of your decisions. I am lifting my personal financial embargo and will be purchasing the Dicker Max and Animal Package this evening.
I appreciate you taking this post seriously. Good luck with your split decision, either way it seems fair to me.
Good luck again and Thank You.
Edited by PANZERsaurusREX, 17 July 2014 - 10:42 PM.