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Poll: AT-2 Un-balanced (72 members have cast votes)

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Do you feel that the AT-2 shold be rebalanced

  1. yes (9 votes [12.50%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 12.50%

  2. no (63 votes [87.50%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 87.50%

Would you adjust AT-2 Armor

  1. NO (62 votes [86.11%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 86.11%

  2. Yes , slightley lower Front armor (5 votes [6.94%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 6.94%

  3. Yes , adjust Side / Rear Armor similarly to Tier 5 Heavy Tanks (5 votes [6.94%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 6.94%

Would you adjust AT-2 Penetration capablities

  1. No (57 votes [79.17%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 79.17%

  2. No , if Front Armor is adjusted (2 votes [2.78%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 2.78%

  3. No , if Side / Rear Armor is adjusted (2 votes [2.78%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 2.78%

  4. Yes , if NO CHANGES Occure (6 votes [8.33%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 8.33%

  5. Yes , but only slightly if any Armor is adjusted (5 votes [6.94%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 6.94%

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SkyStalker #21 Posted 22 July 2014 - 08:53 PM

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View Postkazmiodie, on 22 July 2014 - 02:52 PM, said:

if the waffentragers using the 150mm gun he can bounce a lot so it is possible to survive a full clip for the might waffle.


Yes it is but it can be rare


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stoneddragon812 #22 Posted 22 July 2014 - 09:02 PM

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View PostSkyStalker, on 22 July 2014 - 09:50 PM, said:


Yes but with the camo rating and the DPC that the WT E100 has you wouldn't have a chance if out in the open or he tracks you. It can do 3300 per clip and basically clip a Maus on the PC which has the highest health pool of any tank with 3000 hp

 

Camo is good on it and it does kill well but this post was about the armor verses armor of same tier vehicle compared to ability of those tanks to pen the first .  So unless you are talking about a tank at same tier that most of tanks at same tier can't pen. due to just thickness ( or at-least make the gun pen on the AT-2 around 90-100 instead of able to pen almost everything of same tier , churchil 1 & 3 F.armor is the only exceptions or i would say all ) then your statement is like apples and oranges.  i am not discussing about how At-2 damages but of stats compared to other of same tier.  and yes i would say that it is a fine tank and close to being balanced but not quite right yet.  i personally believe that it should be lowered in armor on side rear to comparable to a heavy of its tier and leave the rest alone but other options were other ways i felt might do the same evening to tanks of same tier. 



KINGSLY1968 #23 Posted 22 July 2014 - 09:05 PM

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i have no problem killing at2s , you need to shoot accurately is all, practice your aim and hit the  weakspots. When i drive my at2 i seem to encounter plenty of others that also have no trouble killing an at-2 i get cupola shot , machine gun port  shot and flanked regularily.Those that panic and stay back are soon dead meat , those that flank  and close in for the weakspot hits are victorious.Try turning an at2 , you can turn a transport and trailer in a tighter circle than one of these ., they are so unmaneuverable its funny
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DeeCanes16 #24 Posted 22 July 2014 - 09:09 PM

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I struggled to play against AT2 s initially but after advice for people on the forum the knowledge alowed me to kill them effectively. Maybe if the op played more in the tank he would appreciate how many tankers can easily kill them. If lemmings in low tier lights try to brawl an AT2 front on they deserve what they get.
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View PostDeeCanes16, on 22 July 2014 - 10:09 PM, said:

I struggled to play against AT2 s initially but after advice for people on the forum the knowledge alowed me to kill them effectively. Maybe if the op played more in the tank he would appreciate how many tankers can easily kill them. If lemmings in low tier lights try to brawl an AT2 front on they deserve what they get.

Your last statement is very true; light tanks do act as a good scout but 70% of them think they are build like a medium and try to take TD's. We can go on about this subject but WG will never make any changes to the AT armor, try taking up TD's yourself- or even Artillery; they are both very effective against AT's. Otherwise if you are the hard core medium or heavy tanks try looking up in the forums for better weak spots.


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Ok.  i have read the comments   and i see looking at almost everyone who posted on the topic is a British destroyer player for most that posted.  only 3 people posted that they play the AT-2 , 1 that it wasn't his main, and anotherr being me.   Some as high as 75% of your TD's are British.   I have played with all current nations and tried most tank line of those.   I am a mostly German player.   Now I know the only spot you can hit from front is the hatch - true.  Apperently you missed the point or my later elaboration on the fact i don't want to nerf the front armor just adjust its side / rear to where it's not almost twice as strong as a heavy ( s/r armor stats are above in OP ).   None of those saying it can be easily killed listed what max tier was in that game.   So to try to make this more obvious to those that seem to be missing the point, it is a discussion on same tier tanks.   Yes a lot of tier 6-7 games the at-2 gets put into it gets owned quickly.  Please discuss things on a same tier basis and i have listed the the stat for tanks OF SAME TIER !!!!  comparison is meant to be of same tier only.    I can easily kill at(s) in a higher tier tank or when tanks get ability to pen 200 or more, tier 6 and above, but that is not this discussion or poll being you can only compare a tank to same tier tanks fairly.    

 

Be honest :  i don't mind the front armor  but if you are going to armor the front higher than heavy's of same tier ( which is fine with current speed in and of itself), then there is no reason it should have higher over double in some heavy's cause side and rear armor while still being able to pen. all but 2 tanks front end or all other side / rear ( that is also fine in and of itself being a TD ). I put up other options to think of any fair way. And i have come up with one more that is easiest of all options and that make it pull most the 6 -7 game and rarely if ever in a tier 5 match  but that's also an option like that high tier pull of the tier 4 M-5 stuart that pull tier 7 ( and yes i know its a scouting tank but only 4 that pulls 7 just example of high pulling)



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View PostSkyStalker, on 22 July 2014 - 04:50 PM, said:


Yes but with the camo rating and the DPC that the WT E100 has you wouldn't have a chance if out in the open or he tracks you. It can do 3300 per clip and basically clip a Maus on the PC which has the highest health pool of any tank with 3000 hp

Not anymore. After the recent "nerf" on the PC, the Maus is the only tank it can't clip. ;)

 

Also, to the OP, please play the AT-2. Watch what happens as you get penetrated in your cupola or lose a large portion of your health to a Hetzer. Watch what happens as round after round from your 6-pounder simply dings off the front of a tier VII. Watch what happens as you keep shooting but your low alpha damage fails to intimidate even if you penetrate. Watch what happens as you manage to clear a flank, only for the enemies to be capturing your base while you are simply too slow to stop them.

The AT-2 is perfectly balanced. Without its armor, it would be the worst tier V, unless it were significantly rebalanced. At that point, though, what would you have it rebalanced to, and why would that be any better than it's current state?


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View PostGenerousStraw94, on 22 July 2014 - 08:13 PM, said:

Not anymore. After the recent "nerf" on the PC, the Maus is the only tank it can't clip. ;)

 

Also, to the OP, please play the AT-2. Watch what happens as you get penetrated in your cupola or lose a large portion of your health to a Hetzer. Watch what happens as round after round from your 6-pounder simply dings off the front of a tier VII. Watch what happens as you keep shooting but your low alpha damage fails to intimidate even if you penetrate. Watch what happens as you manage to clear a flank, only for the enemies to be capturing your base while you are simply too slow to stop them.

The AT-2 is perfectly balanced. Without its armor, it would be the worst tier V, unless it were significantly rebalanced. At that point, though, what would you have it rebalanced to, and why would that be any better than it's current state?


Then don't waste your time with the 6 pounder. use the howitzer (Yes the gun that launches shells into orbit and drops them on the enemy's heads). I do, you can one shot most tanks and it is pretty accurate. I played a game during independence day weekend where I got 9 kills, and 13.4k xp


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I've played many games in the AT2 and played against them numerous times too. I've killed and been killed by AT2 s in various tanks. I killed one in pork I remember while driving my crusader. Tier 5 kv 1 can seriously unmake an AT2 s day and the snail's pace means arty love them. Imo the tank is perfectly balanced.....remember it's not a traditional TD but an assault tank so it should be compared with other Tier V heavies. The drawbacks with speed, manouverability and alpha are balanced with the top armour in its class. In comparison with the other heavies it has the poorest alpha at tier 5 so in my opinion no other balance is needed.
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1) track it

2) flank it

3) shoot cupola

 

The AT series all suffer with the same big weak spot, it is even possible to hit from range ;)



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View PostKev360X, on 23 July 2014 - 12:34 PM, said:

1) track it

2) flank it

3) shoot cupola

 

The AT series all suffer with the same big weak spot, it is even possible to hit from range ;)


Don't waste your time with the cupola when you flank it.


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View PostSkyStalker, on 23 July 2014 - 07:40 PM, said:


Don't waste your time with the cupola when you flank it.

True, being round it can be a bit troll but I always go for it, that or the engine ;)



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I say no for 1 main reason. When I started to see them, I thought they were nearly unpennable. I couldn`t figure out how to damage one. So I looked it up. The power of researching weak spots was a game changer for me. And it`s a crucial thing to do as the tiers get higher. If this tank`s armor were nerfed, the complaints would only shift to another lower tier with high armor.Adapt and overcome. If somone never learns to kill at2`s, they`ll only struggle more and more as they reach higher tiers

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View PostSkyStalker, on 23 July 2014 - 11:33 AM, said:


Then don't waste your time with the 6 pounder. use the howitzer (Yes the gun that launches shells into orbit and drops them on the enemy's heads). I do, you can one shot most tanks and it is pretty accurate. I played a game during independence day weekend where I got 9 kills, and 13.4k xp

I actually happen to like the 6-pounder a lot, the accuracy and aim-down can be iffy at times though.


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View PostSkyStalker, on 22 July 2014 - 02:43 PM, said:

TOUCH MY AT2....... YOU DIE!!!:trollface:

 

Or the T18 needs to be severely nerfed at the same time

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View PostGenerousStraw94, on 23 July 2014 - 03:13 AM, said:

Not anymore. After the recent "nerf" on the PC, the Maus is the only tank it can't clip. ;)

 

Also, to the OP, please play the AT-2. Watch what happens as you get penetrated in your cupola or lose a large portion of your health to a Hetzer. Watch what happens as round after round from your 6-pounder simply dings off the front of a tier VII. Watch what happens as you keep shooting but your low alpha damage fails to intimidate even if you penetrate. Watch what happens as you manage to clear a flank, only for the enemies to be capturing your base while you are simply too slow to stop them.

The AT-2 is perfectly balanced. Without its armor, it would be the worst tier V, unless it were significantly rebalanced. At that point, though, what would you have it rebalanced to, and why would that be any better than it's current state?

this describes the frustration playin the AT line brings. Sure the AT2 seems unstoppable when your fighting it but when your fighting in it it feels like the entire red team is shooting at you and its so dam slow sometimes the game ends before you've had a chance to do anything. No man leave the AT2 as is.



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I dont even bother tracking ATs. I try to zip in at an angle and round their sides. Once there it's game over for them unless a team mate comes to the rescue. I saw it referred to as ignorant armour. It only works against people who don't know where to shoot.

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View PostHoodedWildKard, on 22 July 2014 - 09:02 PM, said:

If they debuff the armour nobody can get the "don't scratch the paint" achievement.

A ridiculous statement. I earned don't scratch the paint in my vk 36.01 h.


 

 

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This thread needs only ONE reply.

 

Learn to shoot.

The whole AT line up until AT15 is a sitting duck from any angle. If you cant rip one to pieces you need to learn to shoot.

 

Gets a little more tricky with AT 15 onwards but AT2, 8 and 7 are hit points waiting to be collected.



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View Postisf13, on 05 August 2014 - 03:39 PM, said:

A ridiculous statement. I earned don't scratch the paint in my vk 36.01 h.

Tongue in cheek my friend :P but seriously it is one of the easiest tanks to get the achievement in. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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