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Poll: 1 tier up/down MM (47 members have cast votes)

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Which would/do you prefer?

  1. one tier up/down (25 votes [53.19%])

    Percentage of vote: 53.19%

  2. Current MM, 2tiers with some exceptions (21 votes [44.68%])

    Percentage of vote: 44.68%

  3. Same tier with exceptions for low pop. tiers (1 vote [2.13%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.13%

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ONEquickBMW #41 Posted 05 August 2014 - 05:57 AM

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View PostSovietdeath, on 05 August 2014 - 06:54 AM, said:

 

Again this is why your reduced to a support role at 2 below you should always let top tier heavies/mediums take point and support them from areas you can quickly bug out from, you are not expected to brawl it out with a full health top tier tank, if you are you are doing it wrong and need to adjust tactics.

 

This isn't COD and requires a lot more strategy to get a decent win rate or handle higher tier tanks.

For some tanks, sniping isn't really an option, the Kv-1 comes to mind, as its accuracy is terrible. Not to mention, the further back you go the worse your pen gets, which just makes your already disadvantaged gun even worse.



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View PostONEquickBMW, on 05 August 2014 - 06:54 AM, said:

What exactly is your problem with +1/-1? I've had to give plenty of reasons for it, what are your reasons against it?

(The question is genuine)

I'm not against it, I just prefer +2/-2 MM, it teaches me to play differently, it breaks the sometimes monotous nature of WoT and throws in a high risk reward, of more XP anc credits, also considering how small the playerbase for WoT is, finding full 15vs 15 matches would be harder.



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View PostONEquickBMW, on 05 August 2014 - 01:57 AM, said:

For some tanks, sniping isn't really an option, the Kv-1 comes to mind, as its accuracy is terrible. Not to mention, the further back you go the worse your pen gets, which just makes your already disadvantaged gun even worse.

Lol the KV-1 I use as a mobile SPG so telling me that really don't mean anything to me 

 

I only use the 122 w/HE rounds and aim center of mass going for tracking tanks and damaging everything with splash damage, plus 3 Heat rounds for those silly enough to get close to me 



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View PostMajor Fulcrum, on 05 August 2014 - 07:01 AM, said:

I'm not against it, I just prefer +2/-2 MM, it teaches me to play differently, it breaks the sometimes monotous nature of WoT and throws in a high risk reward, of more XP anc credits, also considering how small the playerbase for WoT is, finding full 15vs 15 matches would be harder.

I don't know if the tank weight changes when platooning, but when I'm flying solo, I agree with you, it can be fun. But when I'm trying to get friends into the game and we platoon and end up 2 tiers down 6 or 7 times out of 10 it just ruins the game for us. 



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View PostONEquickBMW, on 05 August 2014 - 07:04 AM, said:

I don't know if the tank weight changes when platooning, but when I'm flying solo, I agree with you, it can be fun. But when I'm trying to get friends into the game and we platoon and end up 2 tiers down 6 or 7 times out of 10 it just ruins the game for us.

Oh yeah, it sucks hard, when MM thinks a T3 mediums is a KV-1 and makes it fight nonstop tier 5 matches.



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I think +1/-1 MM would be good for T3s, but everything above is fair game for +2/-2 IMO.

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View PostSovietdeath, on 05 August 2014 - 07:02 AM, said:

Lol the KV-1 I use as a mobile SPG so telling me that really don't mean anything to me 

 

I only use the 122 w/HE rounds and aim center of mass going for tracking tanks and damaging everything with splash damage, plus 3 Heat rounds for those silly enough to get close to me 

If you want this to be a pissing match that's okay, but for many this is not the case. Also the KV-1 splashes around 100-150 while almost any t7 can destroy it in 2 or 3 shots. The mobile spg can work fine until you run into a heavy with 1500hp



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View PostMajor Fulcrum, on 05 August 2014 - 07:10 AM, said:

I think +1/-1 MM would be good for T3s, but everything above is fair game for +2/-2 IMO.

Agreed, but I think t4, perhaps there could be a poll for this sort of thing, though honestly I don't expect this to be implemented, and I'm sure no one else does either.



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View PostONEquickBMW, on 05 August 2014 - 02:11 AM, said:

If you want this to be a pissing match that's okay, but for many this is not the case. Also the KV-1 splashes around 100-150 while almost any t7 can destroy it in 2 or 3 shots. The mobile spg can work fine until you run into a heavy with 1500hp

I'm not making this a pissing match I'm simply saying you can easily be effective while 2 tiers down if you know what you are doing and playing good in a supporting role 



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View PostONEquickBMW, on 05 August 2014 - 07:12 AM, said:

Agreed, but I think t4, perhaps there could be a poll for this sort of thing, though honestly I don't expect this to be implemented, and I'm sure no one else does either.

There are some real tough bastards at tier 4, Matilda as an example and fast, lightly armoured Alecto.



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View PostMajor Fulcrum, on 05 August 2014 - 02:15 AM, said:

There are some real tough bastards at tier 4, Matilda as an example and fast, lightly armoured Alecto.

Everything but the DW2 and PZ 38nA(though I think they got rid of the scout mm on the nA can't confirm though.)



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View PostMajor Fulcrum, on 05 August 2014 - 07:15 AM, said:

There are some real tough bastards at tier 4, Matilda as an example and fast, lightly armoured Alecto.

Oh I certainly agree about tanks like the matilda, but some tanks like the covenanter, which has trouble penning a t14 come to mind. And oh yea I loved the alecto, beast of a t4.



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View PostONEquickBMW, on 05 August 2014 - 07:18 AM, said:

Oh I certainly agree about tanks like the matilda, but some tanks like the covenanter, which has trouble penning a t14 come to mind. And oh yea I loved the alecto, beast of a t4.

It can engage higher tiers, just flank and get their rear.



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View PostSovietdeath, on 05 August 2014 - 07:17 AM, said:

Everything but the DW2 and PZ 38nA(though I think they got rid of the scout mm on the nA can't confirm though.)

nA in it's own tier is devastating.



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View PostMajor Fulcrum, on 05 August 2014 - 07:20 AM, said:

It can engage higher tiers, just flank and get their rear.

While this is definitely what you want to do, with 440 hipoints sometimes you just don't make it. I think my main problem may be the hitpoint disparity compared to tanks 2tiers higher.


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View PostONEquickBMW, on 05 August 2014 - 02:23 AM, said:

While this is definitely what you want to do, with 440hp sometimes you just don't make it. I think my problem may be the hp disparity compared to tanks 2tiers higher.

British tanks never got any more powerful engines till later in the war because of their infantry support mantra



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View PostSovietdeath, on 05 August 2014 - 07:25 AM, said:

British tanks never got any more powerful engines till later in the war because of their infantry support mantra

I shouldn't have used an acronym, my bad. I meant hitpoints, not Horsepower.



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View PostONEquickBMW, on 05 August 2014 - 02:26 AM, said:

I shouldn't have used an acronym, my bad. I meant hitpoints, not Horsepower.

Yeah can't switch from engines to health without pointing out your switching

But low health is the joys of a light tank lol



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View PostONEquickBMW, on 05 August 2014 - 01:43 AM, said:

Ammo racks and engine fires are not reliable enough to be a true viable tactic on a game by game basis. Now if I'm shooting at a tiger, of course. Other tanks, it just becomes a waste to even try to fight back knowing you'll get 2-shotted after doing about 300damage spending 12k silver

 

Yes they are reliable enough to be a true viable tactic. You have to know where they are to hit them. An M4 can 2 shot ammo rack a Tiger. That is pretty much true for every matchup 2 tiers in difference. Most ammo racks are in very vulnerable spots where you usually don't need premium ammo to hit it. The only time I struggle when bottom tier is when I am using a stock tank or a bad gun trying to grind to a good package. +1,-1mm is not neccisarily for almost every tank on the tank trees. Restricting how often you get +2,-2mm though when population on the server is high could make the game more fun for those without the skill or knowledge to play +2,-2.


http://forum-console.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/25926-package-fixes-and-suggestions/

My list of suggested package changes. Matthew J35u5 has one as well. I suggest you take a look at his too and make your own suggestions in either.


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View PostONEquickBMW, on 05 August 2014 - 02:18 AM, said:

Oh I certainly agree about tanks like the matilda, but some tanks like the covenanter, which has trouble penning a t14 come to mind. And oh yea I loved the alecto, beast of a t4.

 

As for some of the tanks that struggle like the Covenanter the issue is usually package fails. The best gun on that tank is the 2 pdr that is only on the stock package which sucks. The KV-1 has 3 good guns. The 57mm has premium ammo that will be able to pen most tanks you can face from almost any direction and at extreme ranges to boot with its accuracy. The 122mm is the best tier V derp gun and the 85mm is between the two in performance.

 

Again most tanks that semmingly have real issues bottom tier have a package fail. Going back to the Covenanter only the PomPom can't pen the T-14 from behind at all. Two of the other guns require premium while again the 2 pdr can with standard if aimed well. Most tanks have a gun that can deal with most tanks that are 2 tiers higher. There are few exceptions to that. Yes it can be a pain to be continuously bottom tier. That doesn't mean +2,-2 should go away. Be limited in how often you see it though is a possibility in theory.


http://forum-console.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/25926-package-fixes-and-suggestions/

My list of suggested package changes. Matthew J35u5 has one as well. I suggest you take a look at his too and make your own suggestions in either.





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