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Victorious Nox #21 Posted 11 September 2014 - 10:56 PM

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View Postmagicman2222222, on 09 September 2014 - 06:01 PM, said:

 

Here the documentary:

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=vgoPR02S3Zw

 

At 1:45:20 there's the part about tiger and at 1:48:50 the part about Wittmann, I know it's italian language, nobody understand how the tiger exploded, but now they spoke about the air attack, because the tank had no damages on the 4 sides, but only on the top side.

There's a sort of fight between nations because everyone want the rights about the kill of that ace.

 

The reason for that is because the round hit below the turret and caused the ammo rack to detonate, causing the damage to the turret. Their was no log ofnany typhoons in the area, and from the photos of the wreckage, the damage is not similar to that of rocket fire.

 

Debunked.


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View PostX L1V3 0R D13 X, on 07 September 2014 - 03:38 PM, said:

Amazing just how many German tank aces there were.

 

no disrespect to them but to be fair Germany tanks were far superior to ares so they could just sit there attacking while are tanks shell just bounce off wheres theres just rip straight though are tanks in the long run it was far easier for them to kill us than us to killl them

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Kurt has my vote. 

 

He has more confirmed kills than Wittmann. 

 

And, he didn't like the Nazis. 

 

And, Hitler didn't like him. 

 

On that last point alone he deserves mention. 

 

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View PostXInfamous W0lfx, on 09 September 2014 - 10:50 PM, said:

Michael Wittman. 
-137 confirmed kills.*

*By the SS which so routinely falsified kill claims the wehrmacht would halve all SS kill claims.

View PostVictorious Nox, on 11 September 2014 - 06:56 PM, said:

 

The reason for that is because the round hit below the turret and caused the ammo rack to detonate, causing the damage to the turret. Their was no log ofnany typhoons in the area, and from the photos of the wreckage, the damage is not similar to that of rocket fire.

 

Debunked.

In a discussion I heard of it people commented that a rocket attack would have done much more damage. 


I wish I could give Ferdinand Porsche for his tank destroying ways. If you think about the number of useful tanks that could have been built if not for him, surely the number of tanks that never existed exceed any of the tank ace's kills. 


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View PostMatthew J35U5, on 24 September 2014 - 08:04 AM, said:

I wish I could give Ferdinand Porsche for his tank destroying ways. If you think about the number of useful tanks that could have been built if not for him, surely the number of tanks that never existed exceed any of the tank ace's kills. 

 

Thats it ladies and gentlemen. We have our winner here. I can't fathom why anyone listened to Porsche let alone let him submit prototypes for evaluation after the early disasters boggles the mind. Did any of his non auto related ideas do anything remotely well?


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View PostDownhillchaos, on 12 September 2014 - 12:20 AM, said:

Kurt has my vote. 

 

He has more confirmed kills than Wittmann. 

 

And, he didn't like the Nazis. 

 

And, Hitler didn't like him. 

 

On that last point alone he deserves mention. 

 

KANTANKARUS. 

 

Also if I remember he was said to have a dislike for "throat jewelery" (like Iron Cross) and other medals, often giving credit to others. And he was regular Heer, no SS.

Dish Jockey #27 Posted 30 October 2014 - 09:18 AM

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Kurt Knispel 

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Mikhail Kalashnikov, I don't know how many confirmed kills he had but we all know what he's responsible for, even though he regrets the way they have been used by certain parties

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An interesting read on German tank commanders is "Panzer Aces" by Franz Kurowski. Commanders included are Franz Baeke, Hermann Bix, Rudolf von Ribbentrop, Hans Boelter, Micheal Wittmann and Albert Ernst.

 

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View PostVictorious Nox, on 06 September 2014 - 04:32 PM, said:

Nope, that theory has been debunked. The damage caused to the tank was done by A Sherman VC Firefly. From either a  British or Canadian, we can't be sure. 

 

It was the Canadians, specifically the Sherbrook's. The British got the other three Tiger's but Whittmann's was too far away and facing the wrong way (900 yards). The only way the British could have done it is if the shell went 900+ yards - flew over his Tiger, stopped, turned 180 degrees and re-accelerated again.

 

The Canadians on the other hand were about 300 yards away, under very good cover and were on the same side as the killing hit was fired from...

 

Check out Battlefield Mysteries episode on it, they did a pretty good job on hte research - right down to GPS locating the grave site and both the British and Canadian fireing positions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCNz7OC8YIs


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View PostX L1V3 0R D13 X, on 07 September 2014 - 02:43 PM, said:

Witmann didn't earn his laurels in one single battle. By 1944 he was a household name throughout Germany and that wasn't the result of one single battle.

the only reason for that was because he was SS and hitler wanted to show off his supermen...not denying a skilled TC but he does not beat knispel.



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I'm surprised no one has said Patton yet. No, he didn't command his own individual tank, but he did command an entire army of the things, eh?

 

That and an aggressive atittude can win wars almost single-handedly...until you come across:

A) a significant amount of water(need a bigger boat)

or

B) a British general that likes overly complicated plans.


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best of the best wittman,was a stug then panzer3,and finnaly a tiger1 then u have otto carious and knispal and of course barkman he was a panther ace,willy woll wittmans gunner he also became an ace and lived to tell his war so its take your pic the lists endless

 



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From the original post it can only be Kurt Knispel. Most kills logically means most dangerous. The 'Patton' reference is as irrelevant as the argument regarding  bigger boats and over complicated 'British' plans made In favour of said boast.  I don't deny the strengths of Patton but to make such claims while excusing any perceived short comings as being the fault of others and other external influences is fundamentally undermining your point. In Scottish parlance "Woulda... Coulda...Didnae!!". Kurt Knispel  is the singular most deadly tanker of World War II, He doesn't get the credit because he wasn't an 'officer'. He was simply, as Shakespeare put it a, 'Workaday Warrior'.



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View PostRussian T34, on 06 September 2014 - 02:44 PM, said:

Sgt. Kurt Knispel – Germany’s WWII Top Tank Ace – Not only was Sgt. Knispel Germany’s top tank ace, he is credited with being the top tank ace in history.  He began as a tank loader and eventually became a gunner and then a commander.  His official kill record stands at 168.   His most remarkable kill was a hit he made on a T-34 tank almost two miles away.

 

I agree with Knispel as one of the most deadly tank commanders.  He survived numerous engagements to earn the the designation as Ace Tanker.  

But in true light of what it takes to be a warrior I would say Otto Carius was the most deadly German tanker as he could not be killed.  He passed away this January 24th at the ripe old age of 92.  Considering his efforts to get into the German army after being deemed unfit for service, and the battles he fought in and what he achieved (Knight's Cross with Golden Oak Leaves), I personally feel that he was the most deadly tank commander/crew of WWII.

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I've always heard that Wittman was considered the deadliest tank commander of WWII.

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View PostMPC 2117, on 30 November 2014 - 01:16 PM, said:

I'm surprised no one has said Patton yet. No, he didn't command his own individual tank, but he did command an entire army of the things, eh?

 

That and an aggressive atittude can win wars almost single-handedly...until you come across:

A) a significant amount of water(need a bigger boat)

or

B) a British general that likes overly complicated plans.

 

If you're gonna bring in generals too. I call Rommel the Desert Fox and Manstein.


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View PostMPC 2117, on 30 November 2014 - 01:16 PM, said:

I'm surprised no one has said Patton yet. No, he didn't command his own individual tank, but he did command an entire army of the things, eh?

 

That and an aggressive atittude can win wars almost single-handedly...until you come across:

A) a significant amount of water(need a bigger boat)

or

B) a British general that likes overly complicated plans.

 

​Montgomery wasn't great, but Patton wasn't exactly good either though. He never really faced any major challenges but Zhukov on the other hand, was a fantastic commander who saved Moscow and helped win the war.


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Lots of good choices, some german, some allied...many different feats of skill and courage in unbelievable conditions.

U-boat aces are judged on tonnage sunk, fighter aces by planes shot down..thusly tank aces are judged on armour destroyed.

Many great tank aces, great legends & stories..but by their own measure of greatness, Kurt Knispel is THE greatest tank ace of all time.

 

Its worth noting that Knispel was well known for giving away kills to other tanks rather than argue over it, and had scores of unconfirmed but probable kills too.

You may have your own favs (Mine is Carius-I like his sense of humour), but Knispel is the Ace of aces..no dispute.

 


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