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TheAverageJoe66 #21 Posted 09 November 2014 - 03:00 PM

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View PostDAMIEN71, on 09 November 2014 - 06:13 AM, said:

 

Quite a few 7+ abrams tanks lost in Iraq no Challenger 2 tanks lost one Challenger counted 48 RPG strikes the driver was very badly wounded and was awarded the George cross, Abrams aint a great tank it just has a lot of tech and very limited as it uses an aircraft engine and really don't go far with out filling up

 

ieds and mines will mess up any tank. The reason why more abrams were lost or damaged is because the USA had alot more troops overseas.  And the abrams can go alot further then you think with that agt 1500.

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Really didnt want to contribute to something as pointless but couldnt contain myself.  I'd go with the Abrams.  All being used in the same numbers and in the same manuevers, all would sustain the same losses since all are very similar.  I will say though, the abrams has a big weak spot that cant be denied by even the biggest of the fanboys, that thirsty as hell engine, although it sounds cool as hell when the go around you.  it does however allow it to be as manueverable as it is with as much weight as it has.  BTW, the top speed on it is not the same as the recomended speed.  this is one of the fastest tanks out there being able to hit 60mph easily (it goes past 60).  targeting systems in these three are virtualy the same, as well as armor.  the biggest difference is that the challenger has a rifled barrel while the abrams and leo2 dont, which allowed them to fire a greater diversity of rounds but with the latest technology the chal can also.  my reason for going with the abrams is simple, it means I go with the bigger army that gets the better logistical support and the better numbers to turn the battle in my favor.



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forgot to address the t90, its not in the same playing field.  its ok and deadly, however, it is outmatched by the leo abr and chal.

 



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View PostDAMIEN71, on 09 November 2014 - 09:13 AM, said:

 

Quite a few 7+ abrams tanks lost in Iraq no Challenger 2 tanks lost one Challenger counted 48 RPG strikes the driver was very badly wounded and was awarded the George cross, Abrams aint a great tank it just has a lot of tech and very limited as it uses an aircraft engine and really don't go far with out filling up

Only going ~400 km is truly terrible. I guess Leopard II's go ~500 on its fuel tank, but that doesn't seem significant enough to say the one "can't go very far without filling up" and have no complaints of the other.

View PostSounderBroom27, on 19 November 2014 - 06:18 PM, said:

forgot to address the t90, its not in the same playing field.  its ok and deadly, however, it is outmatched by the leo abr and chal.

 

Isn't the T-90 worse than the T-80? I was reading a master's thesis from some american military college, which asserted the T-64 was more advanced than the T-72, which was a simplified T-64 more suitable for mass production, and the T-80 was in a similar state to the T-90. Or something along those lines anyway.


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Nah, T-90 was the Russian attempt at a MBT that could be competitive with the Chal, leo and Abr.  It has better targeting systems and more modern everything.  It can also fire a good assortment of ammunition.  problem is that from what I've read everything is half as good as it should be.  It may pose a danger to something like a Sabra one on one, but any of the other three can handle it (with difficulty and a good bit of respect).  dont really know much on the t80, sorry...  I'm not saying that the t90 is not a good tank, I'm pretty sure a few modifications would make it equally as good as any of the other three, its just not there yet.  

 



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The Chally 2 is an all time great tank, however sadly probably our last - the chances of our government giving the go ahead for more expensive tank designs is getting ever slimmer.

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Challenger 2 because it's the best and it's one of the few tanks that I've had a decent look at plus it has a really accurate gun that can fire APFDS,AP,HE,Smoke  and ammo that I love HESH.

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View PostFRsLastStand, on 25 November 2014 - 11:24 PM, said:

Challenger 2 because it's the best and it's one of the few tanks that I've had a decent look at plus it has a really accurate gun that can fire APFDS,AP,HE,Smoke  and ammo that I love HESH.

 

its also not a smoothbore like all other mbts

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View Posta dappar chap, on 26 November 2014 - 12:00 AM, said:

 

its also not a smoothbore like all other mbts

 

That's true which is why I like it because only Britain and several smaller countries with ties to Britain can use it.

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Leopard 2 even tho T 90 is best armored tank out there
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I do prefer combat proven and those that have been in action longer so T-90A.

 

 

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The top three tanks in the world are currently: The Leaopard 2, the Black Panther, and the Abrams. Here's the full top 10 list:
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A slight clarification on M1 losses. The US lists a tank as lost if it suffers damage that causes it to be towed back to the FOB or have a major component replaced or if the repairs go beyond what can be achieved "in the field." This does not in fact mean that the tank has been destroyed or that any crew were lost. There was a particular instance in Baghdad, if I recall correctly, where an M1A2 was disabled by a blast from an IED, then hit with so many RPGs and incendiaries that the crew (all but the driver who was pinned in due to turret and barrel position) was forced to abandon it. After several hours, the area was secured and the recovery team went to pick up the tank only to find it totally burned and immobile. They heard someone yelling from within the tank and moved the turret to find the driver was fine. This vehicle was listed as "destroyed," then it was returned to the motor pool and had a new powerpack installed and was up on the line again the next day. Another "destroyed" M1 hit a mine and threw a track. It was abandoned and then hit by an F-18 to totally destroy the tank because the area was not passable for an MTU at the time. This M1 also was later recovered and re-turreted and went back out. Things like this happen often and are misread by the media and reported incorrectly. Sometimes it even makes it into books before it is corrected. As for the OP query; I'll take an M1A2 SEP with TUSK any day (but hey, I am American so I am biased). I have a profound love for all of them.

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View Posta dappar chap, on 26 November 2014 - 12:00 AM, said:

 

its also not a smoothbore like all other mbts

Smoothbore is kind of better though.

 

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View Posta flappin cod, on 26 November 2014 - 09:47 AM, said:

Smoothbore is kind of better though.

 

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i know was just saying that most tanks now are smoothbore except the challanger and yet the challenger has the longest confirmed kill

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View Posta dappar chap, on 26 November 2014 - 09:59 AM, said:

 

i know was just saying that most tanks now are smoothbore except the challanger and yet the challenger has the longest confirmed kill

Yup I know. And there's a reason for most people doing for smoothbore now.


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View Posta flappin cod, on 26 November 2014 - 10:11 AM, said:

Yup I know. And there's a reason for most people doing for smoothbore now.

 

better ammunition isnt it?

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View Posta dappar chap, on 26 November 2014 - 10:17 AM, said:

 

better ammunition isnt it?

Not really. You get a higher muzzle velocity as you don't have gas escaping down the grooves of the riflng, and they last a lot longer and therefore finacilly are a better option to go with. The accuracy diffrence today is negligible so anyone who says htey are more accurate is talking out of their ar$e and don't have a clue. Only thing with them is that you have to use properly shells. By that i mean the projectile in the casing with all the stuff that goes boom. Now on the Challenger we just stick the projectile in, followed by 2 (i think) charges, followed by a detonator. The advantage to that is it's easier to handle and store the ammunition and you dont get big hot casings flying out the breach once you fired. You just get a tiny bit of metal which won't get in the way. Disadvantage to that is that you need a very highly trained loader topull of the same RoF as a regular shell like what is used in most other MBTs. Luckily the british army have enough highly trained tank loaders.

 

Don't quote me exactly on the projectile type of the Chally though. It is something very similar to that, maybe one charge and detonator, or maybe the charge and detonator come together now, I'm not sure. I just said the above off the top of my head from when I got the chance to talk about it through work.


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