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Captain TJ #1 Posted 22 February 2015 - 10:49 PM

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Germany, 1930. You have taken on the role of Adolf Hitler, and are ready to begin expanding the Third Reich. 

This thread does not focus on the Holocaust, nor does it focus on any other atrocities committed by Hitler and the Nazi Party. This is a purely hypothetical idea. What would you do differently as Adolf Hitler if you had the gift of Hindsight and knew where you had failed the first time. As Hitler, given a second chance at the Third Reich, what steps would you take to ensure victory? 

This thread also assumes control over any members of the Axis. All Allied powers should have their responses estimated as close as possible to what they would have been under this alternative history. How would you ensure complete German, Italian, Japanese, and Spanish domination, not just of Europe but of the world? It helps if you make these decisions according to a timeline for the events but that isn't required, it just allows the rest of us to make sense of it. 

Examples include: Ensuring that the British never get a chance to look at the magnetic mines that could have ended the war with them before a shot was fired. Not engaging in a two-front war. Directing the Japanese to target British colonies in India and their allies in Australia and the Philippines, as well as pushing further into China to prepare to join the Germans in taking out the USSR from two directions... Getting the Spanish on their feet after the civil war and instructing Spain to construct a large fleet, make sure the emissary to Mexico is not intercepted and the Mexicans hear the german proposal for an alliance, coordinate an attack against the US and Canada between Mexico, Japan, Spain and Germany...

 Just some ideas. I want to hear how each of you would go about winning the war, as I know we have some brilliant historians and tacticians on these forums. 

The rules include not touching on atrocities (surprise attacks such as Pearl Harbor are allowed, no attacks against civilians, bombing targets excluded, merchants excluded), sticking to the dogma as close as possible, but it is okay to ignore dogma for a time (such as communism is a poison, BUT the British are pretty annoying so let's off them first and worry about the Commies later), small scale operations and large scale operations are allowed, touch on manufacturing and economics if you must, most importantly have fun trying to win!

I look forward to seeing what these brilliant minds can come up with. 

 

 

 

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X1thebeast29X #2 Posted 22 February 2015 - 10:51 PM

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Give Rommel whatever the hell he wanted. (And not kill him) 

 

Reading the Jeff Shara trilogy on WW2 gave me a new insight on the relationship between Hitler and Rommel. I would definitely recommend it!


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Turboclicker #3 Posted 22 February 2015 - 10:55 PM

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Obviously focus on designs such as the Pz III over ideas like the Panther or Tiger, which aren't the best of designs.

Another one, become friends with Stalin very early on.

Build nice planes like Focke Wulf 190s and BF109s.

Maintain aerial superiority.

Don't have good generals assassinated.

Don't be an idiot.

Don't be insane.

Beef McLargeBig #4 Posted 22 February 2015 - 10:55 PM

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1. Not invade the USSR

2. Tell scientists that their main priority is to perfect Panther/Tiger designs`and improved small arms. Any scientist who gives me some stupid superweapon idea goes to camp. 

3. Scrap large portions of the U-Boat fleet and use the metal for further production

4. Make sure people don't get lazy with Enigma machines.

And other stuff which I'll probably think of later.

 



Turboclicker #5 Posted 22 February 2015 - 10:56 PM

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Beef, Tigers and Panthers were destined to not get very far. Their designs sucked.

SwiftKitten6121 #6 Posted 22 February 2015 - 11:07 PM

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Not invade USSR. Talk Japan out of pearl harbor. Those are the two biggest mistakes that cost the axis WWII

UnsoundDineen #7 Posted 22 February 2015 - 11:10 PM

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develop the first atom bomb before going to war.

 

 


Warspite 1996 #8 Posted 22 February 2015 - 11:14 PM

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Focus on building up a good navy. Invest in the emerging new capital ship of the time, the aircraft carrier, instead of building expensive battleships. Continue expanding the U-Boat fleet and put more time into building smaller vessels, such as destroyers and cruisers. Encourage the production of new aviation technology.

 

Germany's armies will be expanded, focusing on enlarging their fast tank fleets and putting heavy emphasis on the production of self-propelled guns and other support weapons. Blitzkrieg will still form the crucial battle doctrine of the Wehrmacht.

 

View PostBeef McLargeBig, on 22 February 2015 - 10:55 PM, said:

3. Scrap large portions of the U-Boat fleet and use the metal for further production

German submarines were BY FAR one of the biggest threats to the Allies during the war. Winston Churchill even acknowledged this at some point. The problem was that Germany's navy consisted almost entirely of them, so eventually efforts to control their effectiveness against shipping paid off. If more effort was put into naval expansion, Germany could have done some real damage to Britain on the waters.


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Defeat Britain before invading Russia!

Use sloped armor.

Don't rely on the Italians.

Make Paris smell not like pee.

Don't ostracize potential soldiers(IE: Non Germans)

Help Japan with their Oil shortage.

Let your Generals fight the way they want to fight!

Demand that 122mm guns must be on everything.:trollface:


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Simple. Not retaliate to the bombing of Berlin, and keep bombing the airfields. Job done, war won.
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My friends and I where talking about this awhile ago, and this is what I came up with. I have divided my Ideas into 3 categories: Land, Sea, and Air.

 

Land: I would focus on producing improved Panzer III and IV designs instead of building Tigers and Panthers, much less Mauses. Sloped armor and Torsion Bar suspension with inter weaved roadwheels to carry the extra weight . Continue development of the successful STuG-III design, incorporate part similarity to the Panzer III and IV with torsion bar suspension and sloped armor. Continue development of the Flak 88mm. Create a more easily deployable version with improved anti tank capabilities.

 

Air: Instead building Me-262s, I would have produced more Me-109s with improved engines to allow them to go faster. Dedicated interceptor aircraft would be a good idea as well. Improving the Stuka with retractavble landing gear would be useful, and arming them with armor-piercing bombs would be good to combat Shermans. A large long range bomber like the B-17 would be very useful to attack the British islands at night and cripple their industries. 

 

Sea: Throw more resources into Cruisers and Battleships. Germany did not possess a strong fleet. Hitler had a good Idea with plan "Z" but didn't leave himself enough time to finish it. I would have gone ahead with plan Z and continued to improve it.

 

That's just what I would do though.

 


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View PostLemonGem3021668, on 22 February 2015 - 11:25 PM, said:

Sea: Throw more resources into Cruisers and Battleships. Germany did not possess a strong fleet. Hitler had a good Idea with plan "Z" but didn't leave himself enough time to finish it. I would have gone ahead with plan Z and continued to improve it.

 

 

But World War II proved that battleships are essentially useless against a concentrated attack by naval aircraft. All Britain will do to a bigger battleship is use more planes.

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I wouldve gone back to art school to distract me. So i would be an artist instead of a dictator.

 


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View PostBeef McLargeBig, on 22 February 2015 - 10:55 PM, said:

1. Not invade the USSR

2. Tell scientists that their main priority is to perfect Panther/Tiger designs`and improved small arms. Any scientist who gives me some stupid superweapon idea goes to camp. 

3. Scrap large portions of the U-Boat fleet and use the metal for further production

4. Make sure people don't get lazy with Enigma machines.

And other stuff which I'll probably think of later.

 

 

disagree on scrapping large portions of the u boat fleet as there weren't very many at the start of the war. Instead, focus on improving the designs in order to avoid sonar and air attacks.

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View PostLemonGem3021668, on 22 February 2015 - 11:25 PM, said:

My friends and I where talking about this awhile ago, and this is what I came up with. I have divided my Ideas into 3 categories: Land, Sea, and Air.

 

Land: I would focus on producing improved Panzer III and IV designs instead of building Tigers and Panthers, much less Mauses. Sloped armor and Torsion Bar suspension with inter weaved roadwheels to carry the extra weight . Continue development of the successful STuG-III design, incorporate part similarity to the Panzer III and IV with torsion bar suspension and sloped armor. Continue development of the Flak 88mm. Create a more easily deployable version with improved anti tank capabilities.

 

Air: Instead building Me-262s, I would have produced more Me-109s with improved engines to allow them to go faster. Dedicated interceptor aircraft would be a good idea as well. Improving the Stuka with retractavble landing gear would be useful, and arming them with armor-piercing bombs would be good to combat Shermans. A large long range bomber like the B-17 would be very useful to attack the British islands at night and cripple their industries. 

 

Sea: Throw more resources into Cruisers and Battleships. Germany did not possess a strong fleet. Hitler had a good Idea with plan "Z" but didn't leave himself enough time to finish it. I would have gone ahead with plan Z and continued to improve it.

 

That's just what I would do though.

 

 

for air, concentrate on the me 262 earlier on and focus heavy production on it rather than try to redesign it as a fighter bomber and delay production by over a year.

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Warspite 1996 #16 Posted 22 February 2015 - 11:43 PM

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In terms of aerial production, Germany needed a long range single-seat fighter aircraft, like the P-51, that could escort attack aircraft for extended periods of time. One of the biggest issues in the Battle of Britain was that the Bf-109E-series lacked the appropriate range to provide sufficient air cover for German bombers, so Germany began relying on their twin-engined "heavy fighters", which were no match for British fighters in a direct engagement.



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Operation Sea Lion.  If he hadn't gotten impatient and decided to go after Russia, Germany could have crossed the channel and crushed Great Britain before lend lease really got going and before before they british were fully galvanized.

 

http://en.wikipedia....ration_Sea_Lion

 

Or conversely not get bogged down in useless objectives like Stalingrad.  If they isolate Stalingrad and push into the much more strategic oil fields beyond it, they're in much better shape.


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It's pointless as you need to assume that the Allies make the exact same, or similar,  grossly incompetent moves.  The fact is that Germany simply did not possess the economic strength necessary to defeat their opponents and the only reason they came somewhat close is because of the utter incompetence of the allied leaders & military commanders at the outset.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



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not kill the jews for one, use them in the army, i mean how many more people could he have gotten to fight? umm, fortify all of the coast. no super tanks, just make pz3 pz4 tiger and panther tanks better (E-75) make them reliable, and make anti aircraft much better, plus not gone after russia, say to them you have all of Asia and we will take europe, don't kill rommel and the other generals, and lastly go ahead with operation sealion. and also me262 anti aircraft not fighter bomber

 

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View PostIcesev, on 22 February 2015 - 02:56 PM, said:

Beef, Tigers and Panthers were destined to not get very far. Their designs sucked.

Out of curiousity, what made the Panther's Design suck?

 

i understand why you say it about the Tiger, but not the Panther. 

 

I mean, early versions failed beause of fast production, but what was the design flaw?


 





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