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F4NA7IC #41 Posted 27 March 2015 - 09:23 PM

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View PostAll Dat Magic, on 27 March 2015 - 04:06 PM, said:

Also thats called average not " Expected ".  say quickybaby was using a super pershing he is not expecting to get .87 kills per game. That is the AVERAGE of the community.

 

It is the WN8 expected values for the tanks. It is not the average. Moreover, the Pershing and Super Pershing are not the same tank, and do not have the same expected values.

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View PostSTLxSTANG, on 27 March 2015 - 02:27 PM, said:

The sta1 is just a worse Pershing. ..

 

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View PostCyberphobe, on 26 March 2015 - 08:27 PM, said:

What menu is that? Is it a 360 menu?

 

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This thread is really making me itch to get the Pershing back... Maybe later on tonight I'll sell my T54E1 and pull the crew.

You guys can be such a bad influence on my garage


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Why says that's the expected W/R?

I always expect 100% W/R but then I get teamed up with the usual riff raff!



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I sold equipment to buy back my T-44..

 

Dat 122mm of glory!

 

Tier 8 platoon is a must!


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View PostF4NA7IC, on 27 March 2015 - 05:50 PM, said:

I sold equipment to buy back my T-44..

 

Dat 122mm of glory!

 

Tier 8 platoon is a must!

 

Please tell me you only have HE rounds.  :trollface:

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View PostxZcloneSpy2817x, on 26 March 2015 - 06:29 PM, said:

Anything 50% and above is decent in my eyes. I'd shove a KV-2's 152mm up my hind end and pull the trigger to stay in the 50% and above range, lol! :P

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View PostMobius Y, on 27 March 2015 - 08:00 PM, said:

 

Please tell me you only have HE rounds.  :trollface:

 

50/50 AP/APCR.

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View PostF4NA7IC, on 27 March 2015 - 08:50 PM, said:

I sold equipment to buy back my T-44..

 

Dat 122mm of glory!

 

Tier 8 platoon is a must!

Evil at it's finest with the right platoon combo... 


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View PostF4NA7IC, on 27 March 2015 - 06:02 PM, said:

50/50 AP/APCR.

 

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View PostCaudle Family, on 27 March 2015 - 02:42 PM, said:

I thought the pershing was underpowered in WW2 for the tanks it was supposed to be fighting and that the reality of that translated into our game.  Im not there yet the T20 still hates me ( bc of my lack in skillz ).  The wiki says MM treats it like a heavy, only thing that i can think of for its overall lower WR but 51% average across all players seems about right for any higher tier tank. Lower tiers average 48% of course all tgese numbers are for PC right? We dont have a gathered database for the xbox version.

 

My average damage in the t20 the first time around was ~700+ after well over 100 battles. I just had no clue how to play mediums (actually tanks, period). After I bought it back it went up to ~1100+. It just takes experience and practice. You'll get there. :)

 

Yeah I was thinking mm was treating it like heavy. It is a beast when it's top tier.


 

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So I broke down and pulled the trigger... This thing really is better than I remember even with a 75% crew!

Only 3k damage and 3 kills first match, but I imagine it'll be a better performer once the crew is up to working speed.

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View PostSTLxSTANG, on 27 March 2015 - 03:27 PM, said:

The sta1 is just a worse Pershing. ..

 

That is debatable, the STA has better pen and ROF, the Armor on the Pershing is just dead weight for its tier. The only thing that the Pershing has over the STA-1 is better HP/W and +10m of view range. And Yes, I checked some soft stats like terrain traverse-ability, the only thing that I can't compare properly is how the spread is handled while on the move due to the fact that this got buffed recently on the Pershing.
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I feel that the Pershing is a tank that got powercreeped seeing that this is one of the old tier 8 meds. 
I don't see why would you play it when you have tanks like the STA-1, Indien Panzer and Centurion Mk.1. 

Sure you can say that I haven't played it yet. But it looks to me that american mediums are a bit underwhelming.
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View PostVry Deadly, on 28 March 2015 - 04:09 AM, said:

I feel that the Pershing is a tank that got powercreeped seeing that this is one of the old tier 8 meds. 
I don't see why would you play it when you have tanks like the STA-1, Indien Panzer and Centurion Mk.1. 

Sure you can say that I haven't played it yet. But it looks to me that american mediums are a bit underwhelming.

The Pershing is able to go hull down with decent success if played correctly as it has a good size mantlet and has a better gun than the hard stats lead to believe.

Indy panz has a high aim time.

Centurion is overly average with good pen and accuracy.

I haven't played the STA-1 either so I can only go off of what the stats show.


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View PostVry Deadly, on 28 March 2015 - 02:09 AM, said:

I feel that the Pershing is a tank that got powercreeped seeing that this is one of the old tier 8 meds. 
I don't see why would you play it when you have tanks like the STA-1, Indien Panzer and Centurion Mk.1. 

Sure you can say that I haven't played it yet. But it looks to me that american mediums are a bit underwhelming.

 

Lollololol. The Pershing is amazing. The centurion shouldnt even be in the same thought.

 

 

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View PostMobius Y, on 27 March 2015 - 08:00 PM, said:

 

Please tell me you only have HE rounds.  :trollface:

 

Ha ha , I just watched that video tonight:P

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View PostMikeC1781, on 28 March 2015 - 05:09 AM, said:

 

Ha ha , I just watched that video tonight:P

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