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Blazestar4 #1 Posted 26 July 2015 - 06:08 PM

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        I have made some revisions to the French Tech Tree. I tried to keep true to the tanks that are already there. I used other's ideas and changes as well as my own.

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        The first thing I did was add Joco's new light line. The line is solid and he did a total analysis on his thread.

        Second thing I did was try and find a place for the heavy tanks that never made it into the game. I thought it would be a smooth transition to start them after the G1R. Coming off of the G1R you have the ARL 37. The ARL 37 is a fast, lighter heavy that seems to be rather mobile. It uses a 75mm gun standardly but I am thinking it could potentially get a 90mm. For tier VII it is more difficult as there wasn't a new proposed tank for the line. The plan was to steal the AMX M4 45 from the other line. I didn't want to do that. I asked Joco if he knew anything that would fit. He told me that there was a different suspension for the M4 45 that would make it faster and more maneuverable. So that is my back-up plan. I decided to go ahead and put the AMX M4 46 in the spot because I think there is a good chance it was proposed. My thought process was that if they built a tank destroyer out of it there might be a full tank possible. The tier VIII is the AMX M4 48. This tank was proposed by Wargaming long ago (In 2013 I think). It has an image and a description already. The tier IX is the AMX 65t. It is in the same boat as the tier VIII. It already has an image and a description as well. The tier X is the same. It is the AMX M4 49. It had a model made for it already. As far as I know it has a 120mm without an autoloader. It is worth noting none of the tanks in the line have autoloaders. 

 

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        My next additions were three mediums coming off the G1R going to the AMX 30 Prototype. Originally I had Joco's lights going to the AMX 30 and the AMX 10 C. Then I found these and changed it. The tier VI is the Lorraine G1L. The tank was a competing design for the G1 project. The Lorraine company had the go ahead but Renault got the rights instead. The major difference between the G1R and the G1L it the turret. The G1L originally had the same turret as the G1R but in an image I saw I noticed it had the turret of the BDR. So that allows the tank to carry the 90mm DCA 30. The tier VII is by far the sketchy-est tank I have. It is called the Char 40 B. The only thing I about it is the hull. The site I found it on is French. My French isn't that great nor is Google Translate's, but I think that the tank can hold the turret of the ARL 44. If so that means the tank can handle the 90mm DCA 30, 90mm DCA 45, 90mm F3, and 105mm Canon 13TR. A tier VII tank with a 105mm gun! Anyways the next tank in the line is the line is the AMX 45. There is absolutely no information on this tank, only that Wargaming at one time proposed it to go into the AMX 30 Prototype. Which is where I have it. As far as I know none of these tanks have autoloaders either.

 

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        Thank you for staying with me this long and thanks for reading it. If this is well received I might do something to the Chinese or Japanese later. Also thanks to Joco for the help.


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Joco3000 #2 Posted 26 July 2015 - 06:16 PM

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By the way, you could add almost an entire SPG and TD line to that as well.

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View PostJoco3000, on 26 July 2015 - 01:16 PM, said:

By the way, you could add almost an entire SPG and TD line to that as well.

 

I was vaguely aware of this. The SPG's seem like they would be hard to dig up. The TDs I could do later. I also thought adding the heavys was a more pressing matter.
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Joco3000 #4 Posted 26 July 2015 - 06:26 PM

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View PostBlazestar4, on 26 July 2015 - 07:17 PM, said:

 

I was vaguely aware of this. The SPG's seem like they would be hard to dig up. The TDs I could do later.

 

The SPGs are the easiest.

Check out the GPF. Five tanks, right there.


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View PostJoco3000, on 26 July 2015 - 01:26 PM, said:

 

The SPGs are the easiest.

Check out the GPF. Five tanks, right there.

See the towed and one spg


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View PostRuthless4u, on 26 July 2015 - 07:31 PM, said:

See the towed and one spg

 

One chassis, five guns.

A 155mm, 194mm, a rare 240mm and a 280mm. I'm sure there's a fifth as well.

We only need three, really.


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Blazestar4 #7 Posted 26 July 2015 - 06:39 PM

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View PostJoco3000, on 26 July 2015 - 01:35 PM, said:

 

One chassis, five guns.

A 155mm, 194mm, a rare 240mm and a 280mm. I'm sure there's a fifth as well.

We only need three, really.

 

That is quite helpful, I did find a Sherman Modification with a French artillery gun that could make it as a tier VIII Premium. That is one thing I didn't do is, I didn't add premiums.
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View PostJoco3000, on 26 July 2015 - 01:35 PM, said:

 

One chassis, five guns.

A 155mm, 194mm, a rare 240mm and a 280mm. I'm sure there's a fifth as well.

We only need three, really.

Nah, we need 5 lol.


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Oh, and there is a third heavy tank line that you can have. It's one I've never touched on, partially due to their obscurity.

It's based on the Char Lourd (spelling? Stupid French and their not-English) projects from the pre-war period. Think FCM F1, but bigger sort of thing.


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View PostJoco3000, on 26 July 2015 - 01:45 PM, said:

Oh, and there is a third heavy tank line that you can have. It's one I've never touched on, partially due to their obscurity.

It's based on the Char Lourd (spelling? Stupid French and their not-English) projects from the pre-war period. Think FCM F1, but bigger sort of thing.

 

I saw those while I was snooping around but I didn't add them due to the fact I couldn't get the line to tier X. The only other option is to make it go to the ARL 44 and stop. You did spell it right I think.
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View PostBlazestar4, on 26 July 2015 - 07:47 PM, said:

 

I saw those while I was snooping around but I didn't add them due to the fact I couldn't get the line to tier X. The only other option is to make it go to the ARL 44 and stop. You did spell it right I think.

 

You get some absurd proposals.

I can't remember specifics, but I know it can go up to tier X in much the same way as the Japanese line can.


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View PostJoco3000, on 26 July 2015 - 01:49 PM, said:

 

You get some absurd proposals.

I can't remember specifics, but I know it can go up to tier X in much the same way as the Japanese line can.

 

It would take me awhile and a trip to the archives in Saumur. The tier IX and X of the Japanese lines are made off of a picture of a coastal turret with the gun.
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View PostJoco3000, on 26 July 2015 - 06:45 PM, said:

Oh, and there is a third heavy tank line that you can have. It's one I've never touched on, partially due to their obscurity.

It's based on the Char Lourd (spelling? Stupid French and their not-English) projects from the pre-war period. Think FCM F1, but bigger sort of thing.

The f1 is the one from RUSE right? Would it be possible?


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View PostGhostlyPuppet01, on 26 July 2015 - 07:47 PM, said:

The f1 is the one from RUSE right? Would it be possible?

 

It would be possible. It only had a 90mm gun. The other gun is a 47.


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Irrelevant post, ignore.

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Version 1.1 - Superheavies don't work right now so just TDs for now.
 
        So it took me forever but I did it. I added the Second TD line and the Superheavy line. Most of the inspiration for the new lines came from this thread, by a member of the PC EU forums, Teckyota.
        First changes to other lines. I removed the Char B. I had trouble believing it had the ARL 44 turret. So in removing it I moved the AMX 45 down a tier (to tier VII) and added the Euro-panzer F as the new tier VIII. Joco had previously put the Euro-panzer as a French-German duel crew trainer. I decided that the French didn't need another tier VIII medium premium, so I put it as the standard tier VIII. That is all for changes, on to new things.
 
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        First the TDs. The new tank destroyer line has relatively fast vehicles. The slowest being 20 kph (potentially buffed to 30 kph) and the fastest being 90 kph. The tier II is the AMR 35 ZT3 it looks like "that one Italian vehicle." It has no armor, goes 60 kph, and has a 20mm. For tier III we have the Lorraine 37L AC. Its a Lorraine tractor with a 47 or 75mm gun. Next at tier IV we have the 75 Garnier Renault. Wargaming actually made a model for this one. It will use a 47mm stock and a 75mm for it's top gun. It won't be particularly fast at only 32 kph. Tier V is the AMX R35 CA. I'm pretty sure Joco used this as a premium as well. It will be almost a copy of the S35 CA. Just that this is the slowest tank in the line, at the before mentioned speed of 20 kph, I do believe it can be buffed though. It will use the same guns as the S35 CA if that wasn't clear. The tier VI is the Fouga VP 90, it is basically a tankette with a 90mm gun strapped to the top. It is the fastest tank in the line doing a top speed of 90 kph. It is extremely low to the ground so it would get excellent camo. The tier VII is very obscure. It is the Chasseur De Char Henry, this is almost exactly like the previous tank just with larger guns I'm sure. One weird fact about this tank is that it had hydraulic suspension that came out from under the tank to stabilize the tank when it fires. It apparently had a recoilless gun but that can be changed for a standard gun. The tier VIII is the Lorraine AC 50 or the Lorraine Canon D'assaut. It is apparently the same tank. It uses a 90mm or a 100mm. This tank had a prototype made. The tier IX is the AMX Canon D'assaut mle. 50. It has a 150mm. I don't know a whole lot about this tank, it is a paper project though. The tier X is the AMX 10 M. It is a more modern tank, and you can tell because it looks ugly and boxy. It apparently has a 142mm which is odd, although for balance reasons it should have excellent gun handling combined with the alpha of a 150mm. It also fired missiles but in game it wouldn't. It was built rather late in 1970, but so was the AMX 10 C. Now the superheavies.

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French tanks are known for autoloaders.  Why would I want a French tank without an autoloader?   That's like wanting a German tank that doesn't catch fire.

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There's already a tech tree for the French just that we'll have to wait for it. But I would like to have a non-autoloading tech tree for heavies. 

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View PostThermalStone, on 09 August 2015 - 09:45 AM, said:

French tanks are known for autoloaders.  Why would I want a French tank without an autoloader?   That's like wanting a German tank that doesn't catch fire.

 

I want a German that doesn't catch fire:). If the french could get armor I would also sacrifice the autoloader.

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View PostThermalStone, on 09 August 2015 - 03:45 PM, said:

French tanks are known for autoloaders.  Why would I want a French tank without an autoloader?   That's like wanting a German tank that doesn't catch fire.

 

The French have plenty of non-autoloading designs that fully deserve implementation. The whole idea of national traits has been abandoned anyway.

For example, we have the British, who are very accurate, fast firing throughout their entire tech tree.

And then we get the FV215b 183. Just shatters the stereotype.

 

Oh, OP. The Somua SM has issues. WG can't find enough info on the tank.

The AMX M4 Mle 46 is probably a marginally better bet. Or the alternative suspension design.

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